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They don't need a complex network of computers, data mines and sniffers.

So why are they awlays bleating they need it. Cameron promised LESS big brother, but we all know what a liar he turned out to be.

Authorities are no doubt swamped with irrelevant info, unintended(??) consequence of not looking at where the problems lie but abusing the tools (and their remit??) to look at everyone.

Chuck wrote:

They don't need a complex network of computers, data mines and sniffers.

So why are they awlays bleating they need it. Cameron promised LESS big brother, but we all know what a liar he turned out to be.

Authorities are no doubt swamped with irrelevant info, unintended(??) consequence of not looking at where the problems lie but abusing the tools (and their remit??) to look at everyone.

They don't NEED it. They WANT it.

Or at least they want the money to spend on it, which would more than likely be squandered in the same way as various failed computer systems and unified databases over the years.

Sometimes the Police have solid information , but they fail to act on it .

I can recall one force that did not revoke a FAC even though the holder had several CCJ's and was on first name terms with the Court Bailifs .

And another force who took no action even though the FAC holder and his business partner had attempted to blackmail another shooter into withdrawing evidence he had given to a Court .

The police had solid info on Ryan, Bird and Hamilton too, but as we are well aware, didn't act on it.

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Ryan was a bit "odd", but that's the extent. Bird had nothing to all intents and purposes. A wee brush with the law that got him a caution, but nothing for decades after.

Hamilton on the other hand....

Utterly despicable the way the senior officers of Central Scotland Police, as it was then, allowed Hamilton to possess firearms. ACC McMurdo and the then MP, Lord Robertson, need some serious investigation into their motives and circumstances of the "relationship" they had with Hamilton.

It'll never happen Sim. It would take either a nationwide outcry or all of the parents of the victims to petition the government and as far as both seem to be concerned the matter doesn't need re-raking over and they already have their pound of flesh with the pistol 'ban'.

saddler wrote:
Oh, the same Dept has money to burn on purchasing several SGC 9mm LR carbines with a view to make them run illegally so that they can ban them....the outcome of that one? "I got it to go fully auto for one shot..."(but it then jammed solid rendering the gun totally inoperable)

Yip = you cannot make this s*** up

So is this where all the recent scaremongering regarding the proposed banning of SGC Lever-release + MARS rifles has come from?
If so, with Scotland instigating their own laws (such as Air-Weapons licensing), will this still affect England and owners of these rifles South of the Boarder ?

Something we all know but the liberals hate to admit it:

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-bu ... nals-17355

And yet the anti gun nuts, clueless politicians and gun banners world wide still spout their lies.

Gun owners worldwide should be PROUD of themselves.

HH1 wrote:

saddler wrote:
Oh, the same Dept has money to burn on purchasing several SGC 9mm LR carbines with a view to make them run illegally so that they can ban them....the outcome of that one? "I got it to go fully auto for one shot..."(but it then jammed solid rendering the gun totally inoperable)

Yip = you cannot make this s*** up

So is this where all the recent scaremongering regarding the proposed banning of SGC Lever-release + MARS rifles has come from?
If so, with Scotland instigating their own laws (such as Air-Weapons licensing), will this still affect England and owners of these rifles South of the Boarder ?

Yes, firearms legislation is still determined GB wide and in London

MistAgain wrote:Sometimes the Police have solid information , but they fail to act on it .

I can recall one force that did not revoke a FAC even though the holder had several CCJ's and was on first name terms with the Court Bailifs .

And another force who took no action even though the FAC holder and his business partner had attempted to blackmail another shooter into withdrawing evidence he had given to a Court .

Why does having money problems (CCJs etc) make you unfit to have a FAC? Pray tell!