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Selling a firearm
Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:18 pm
by Mauserbill
I know the face to face rules for purchasing
But what happens if I am selling to a remote dealer.
I have been told that the dealer sends me a copy of his RFD and then he arranges for the firearm to be collected bt Parcel Force 24Hrs
Re: Selling a firearm
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:49 pm
by Mattnall
That would work.
Re: Selling a firearm
Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:35 am
by smoothly
Mmm i was under the impressionthat you could send a firearm to a rfd, obviously you cant send license holder to license holder but i thought you could send to a dealer or you used to be able to its got to be a flo question i think.
Re: Selling a firearm
Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:45 am
by phaedra1106
Don't ask an FLO, they'll just make something up :)
Yes, you can post "sporting firearms" to an RFD, use Royal Mail 24Hr
https://personal.help.royalmail.com/app ... cted-items
Guns for sporting use
International - Allowed in the mail, see restrictions and packaging guidelines below:
Guns intended for sporting purposes - including Section 1 and Section 2 firearms, low-powered air guns and their component parts - may be sent in compliance with UK law and subject to applicable export controls on the shipment of firearms.
Items that appear to be prohibited weapons may be subject to additional checks and delays.
Sender's name and address must be visible on the parcel.
UK - Allowed in the mail, see restrictions and packaging guidelines below:
Guns intended for sporting purposes - including Section 1 (e.g. hunting rifles) and Section 2 (e.g. shotguns) firearms, low-powered air weapons and their component parts - may be sent in compliance with UK
law and subject to domestic controls on the possession of firearms. Antiques, deactivated and imitation firearms are also permitted. When sending deactivated firearms include proof of deactivation.
Items that appear to be prohibited weapons may be subject to additional checks and delays.
Use 1st Class as the minimum service. Only low-powered air weapons are accepted by Parcelforce Worldwide and must be sent using express48 via the Post Office.
Sender's name and address must be visible on the parcel.
Re: Selling a firearm
Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:24 pm
by Mattnall
smoothly wrote:Mmm i was under the impressionthat you could send a firearm to a rfd, obviously you cant send license holder to license holder but i thought you could send to a dealer or you used to be able to its got to be a flo question i think.
As long as the recipient is an RFD then you can send the firearm. But Mauserbill's way also works and might be easier to arrange.
Getting someone to carry it is the trick, though they are out there.
Re: Selling a firearm
Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:04 pm
by ovenpaa
We often arrange for collection from FAC holders and RFD's using our PF 24hr Firearms account. Firearms cannot be shipped through PF on a 48 hour and you must have an account for firearms even though they seem to use the same van and driver. An RFD can also ship direct to the end user as long as the firearm is listed on their FAC.
Re: Selling a firearm
Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:14 pm
by Mattnall
I've been told that I cannot send back to the FAC holder but to his nominated RFD.
The advice mostly concerns buying and selling but it also refers to transfers which I've been lead to believe also means handing over or giving back.
BASC Website wrote:Download link to full article
“Transfer” includes let on hire, give, lend and part with possession, and “transferee” and
“transferor” shall be construed accordingly.
....
Section 32(2)(c) requires a ‘face-to-face’ transfer between all certificate holders and where a
dealer sells to a certificate holder. Section 32(1) exempts the face-to-face requirement for a
dealer to dealer transfer.
Accordingly the firearm cannot be sent to the certificate holders
(buyers) home address. This means a selling dealer may freely send the firearm via carrier
(courier) to a second dealer for the customer to collect in person.
Re: Selling a firearm
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 9:23 am
by Christel
Mattnall wrote:I've been told that I cannot send back to the FAC holder but to his nominated RFD.
The advice mostly concerns buying and selling but it also refers to transfers which I've been lead to believe also means handing over or giving back.
BASC Website wrote:Download link to full article
“Transfer” includes let on hire, give, lend and part with possession, and “transferee” and
“transferor” shall be construed accordingly.
....
Section 32(2)(c) requires a ‘face-to-face’ transfer between all certificate holders and where a
dealer sells to a certificate holder. Section 32(1) exempts the face-to-face requirement for a
dealer to dealer transfer.
Accordingly the firearm cannot be sent to the certificate holders
(buyers) home address. This means a selling dealer may freely send the firearm via carrier
(courier) to a second dealer for the customer to collect in person.
Our firearms licensing department and also BASC told me the following however also indicated that they would prefer RFD to RFD.
If a customer sends a firearm to an RFD for repair using Royal Mail or using an RFD transfer then the RFD who carries out the repair can return the firearm direct to the customer as the firearm is already on his FAC using Royal Mail or Parcelforce.
Selling is RFD to the customer's chosen RFD. This is despite the selling RFD having completed the buyer's FAC so knowing the slot is there, thing is at this stage the issuing force has not been notified/noted it.
Always and I mean always get proof of posting.
Re: Selling a firearm
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:47 pm
by Mattnall
I was told the reason it had to go via an RFD was because between you receiving the firearm, working on it and sending it back the FAC holder could have had his FAC revoked. The RFD receiving the firearm can check the FAC at the face-to-face handover.
I'm under the impression that it can never be sent directly to an FAC holder in any circumstances.
I guess it is all OK until something goes missing, then we'll find out which way it should be done for sure.
Re: Selling a firearm
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:14 pm
by meles meles
What is this concept of ''selling" a firearm ? Once we have a bangstick in our paws, it's our's. Forever. Our preshus. Never to be relinquished...