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Probably a stupid question but here goes

Just visited another club with a view to joining
Found out it has no trained range (certified )or safety officers(certified ) and an untrained training officer .
So having always been in places were there is always in charge of HSE etc what happens and who is responsible at that club in the event of an accident ?(seeing as we live in a blame culture society)
Comitee maybe (clubs not set up with ltd liability ) ?
Would the insurance run for the hills (through NSRA so maybe Bluefin )
They shoot at Bisley as well so again who is responsible ? and should there be a certified safety or range officer ?

All shooters at Bisley should have a Shooters card unless its a guest day an then supervised one to one, there is no requirement for a formal RO unless its an organised competition.

Alan

20series wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 1:59 pm All shooters at Bisley should have a Shooters card unless its a guest day an then supervised one to one, there is no requirement for a formal RO unless its an organised competition.

Alan

Cheers so if the club run an internal club comp no RO required ?

Not to my knowledge but if in doubt ask the Range office.

Alan

There are ranges that require a range officer to ensure smooth running and of course safety .
Some competitions require a range officer for each shooter , again for smooth running and safety .

But the bottom line is that each individual is responsible , having a range officer does not absolve a shooter when they have a sudden attack of the stupids .

Having said that I have seen some RO's who arnt fit to handle a yard brush , like the one at Bisley many years back who pushed my loaded Colt even deeper into its holster after I had indicated that i was in the ready position to draw .

We have an internal training program. Those who pass it, have a red lanyard for their membership card rather than the standard black. All details are run by a none shooting range officer. This procedure was introduced gradually over a number of years as the club grew in its member numbers, making it likely that you will be shooting next to somebody that you do not know and who may be a total beginner. Probationary members wear a yellow lanyard and have an experienced mentor to look after them.
Fred

I am a member of what is arguably the largest shooting club in the UK with ranges suitable for up to .50BMG energy. it has over 2000 members across a wide range of disciplines and no formal range officers for every day shooting. Groups using it for national competitions may bring in their own RCOs to ensure the smooth and safe running of the competitions but that is all.

ok so the consensus is no range officer required but in the event of an incident would an insurance company expect a qualified range officer and if not present who would be liable ?

Dellboy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 7:33 pm ok so the consensus is no range officer required but in the event of an incident would an insurance company expect a qualified range officer and if not present who would be liable ?

At Bisley, every shoot must be supervised by an RO. A club booking ranges at Bisley appoints its own RO. By default, if the club does nothing about it, the person signing for the range is the RO.
An individual NRA member may act as their own RO in some circumstances, otherwise they have to arrange an RO.

IainWR wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 7:41 pm

Dellboy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 7:33 pm ok so the consensus is no range officer required but in the event of an incident would an insurance company expect a qualified range officer and if not present who would be liable ?

At Bisley, every shoot must be supervised by an RO. A club booking ranges at Bisley appoints its own RO. By default, if the club does nothing about it, the person signing for the range is the RO.
An individual NRA member may act as their own RO in some circumstances, otherwise they have to arrange an RO.

Does Bisley not require the person signing for the range to have a current NRA RSO or RCO certificate/qualification?