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California University Shooting
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:19 pm
by Christel
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17590859
A number of people have been killed and several injured in a shooting at a university in California, police say.
Not the first and it very likely won't be the last, always such a waste and a tragedy when it happens.
Re: California University Shooting
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:58 am
by dromia
Very sad.
Make the most of today as you never know the moment.
Re: California University Shooting
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 5:30 am
by Chuck
...............and there's Commifornia with all those anti gun laws....once again a gun free zone claims lives....
Blame whoever enacted all those idiot gun control laws in Ca..and the moron who did the killings!
Oakland school shooting:
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 5:46 am
by Jenks
Well it has happened again in the 'Land of the Gun'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -fire.html
come on Chuck, tell me again how more guns make society safer..
Jenks
Re: Oakland school shooting:
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:50 am
by Fullbore
Have you read "Does the Trigger Pull the Finger?", it's a very interesting book on UK gun laws and how it's changed over time, it also analyses death rates versus gun ownership in the US and alot seems to be down to demographics, population density and ethnic make up as there are many US states that have little or no gun control apart from federal laws that have lower gun deaths than higher controlled areas and also less than the UK but all that the UK anti gun people beat on about are the high death rate states.
The states with high death rates and little gun control tend to be very population dense and have a high proportion of non whites such as new mexico or Washington compared to the likes of Vermont & Montana with less dense population and low ethnic make up.
I would recommend the book to anyone, I've leant it to a few long term shooting friends and they were amazed at some of the facts.
Re: California University Shooting
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:50 am
by 25Pdr
Jenks!...The only defence against an armed killer....
Re: Oakland school shooting:
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:51 am
by Sandgroper
Jenks,
We could turn that question around and ask how does fewer guns make society safer? :-P
Re: California University Shooting
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:41 am
by Jenks
I don't really want to get into the quoting of statistics game... We have done that so many times. It just seems to me that stories of multiple murders where a gun was used seem to come round with regular monotony from the USA. Yes! I know it does happen here, but even making allowance for our much smaller population I don't think it is a regular occurrence.
Jenks
Re: Oakland school shooting:
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:56 am
by Jenks
Sandgroper wrote:
Jenks,
We could turn that question around and ask how does fewer guns make society safer? :-P
Sandgroper..
Rightly or wrongly, I believe that the more guns there are in a society then the greater the chance that the wrong people will access them and use them to kill innocent people. One such instance is the case of the
youth Shawn Tyson who shot and killed the two Brits in Florida. It really is academic anyway, as we know the USA is awash with guns both legal and illegal. And yes if I lived there I might feel the need to be armed for self protection... But what an indictment of a society where the law abiding feel need to be armed to feel safe. And this in some quarters includes teachers in schools. Madness.
Jenks
Re: Oakland school shooting:
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:07 am
by Blackstuff
It happened in California, that has the strictest gun laws in the USA, and in a 'gun free' zone. Had the people there also had guns they would have had the
chance of defending themselves, but because of the restrictive gun law they did not. I'm guessing thats how more guns could've made society safer. :55:
Either way innocent people are dead which isn't ever a good thing
