Aperture or Rearsights for Full Bore rifles and other things

[Rickoshay]

OK, so I am not particularly new to shooting rifles but new to TR...and...

I want to buy some aperture sights for TR, but am really struggling to find sellers - YES I can find the Trakker sights, but what about 'everything else'?
My searches find a lot of small-bore sights but not full-bore specific; even the Busley camp shops are scant with sights. Links and pointers most welcome, I'm looking to do some homework before committing so all knowledge and suggestions welcome.

Have acquired a Swing Mk5, S&L barrel, it is very stiff on closing and opening the bolt but does eject - I have read this is normal but seems odd as for aTR would expect not to move 'that much' in a bid to maintain shooting position. So answers on a post card on that one...

The stock needs a bit of a lift/refurb, I'd like an adjustable comb, and butt pad too - ideas please.

Look forward to hearing from you all -

[Dougan]

OK, so I am not particularly new to shooting rifles but new to TR...and...

I want to buy some aperture sights for TR, but am really struggling to find sellers - YES I can find the Trakker sights, but what about 'everything else'?
My searches find a lot of small-bore sights but not full-bore specific; even the Busley camp shops are scant with sights. Links and pointers most welcome, I'm looking to do some homework before committing so all knowledge and suggestions welcome.

Have acquired a Swing Mk5, S&L barrel, it is very stiff on closing and opening the bolt but does eject - I have read this is normal but seems odd as for aTR would expect not to move 'that much' in a bid to maintain shooting position. So answers on a post card on that one...

The stock needs a bit of a lift/refurb, I'd like an adjustable comb, and butt pad too - ideas please.

Look forward to hearing from you all -

I'm not sure of your budget, but I would have thought Fultons should be able to help with most of that - I can recommend their own laminated stock; which has an adjustable comb and butt pad...that's what my Swing Mk4 is in, and it's very ergonomic and comfortable for prone shooting - I can also recommend their own adjustable front sight...saves adjusting the rear sight by large amounts - And I'd be surprised if they didn't have some rear sights knocking about (?)...

The opening lift on the Swing is stiff (due it cocking on the unload) - You don't have to keep the rifle level when unloading a spent cartridge, so personally I put the butt on the floor (without moving my left elbow) when opening...

...it shouldn't be stiff to close though - I learned that you use a little bit of molly (instead of gun oil) on the moving parts (accessed through a little triangular opening near the bolt handle) and behind the front lugs - if this doesn't work...then I would say (sorry to sound like an advert) let fultons have a look at it.

My Swing Mk4 in a Fultons laminate stock:

[Rickoshay]

Ooooooooh...... you just had to go and put a photo in...that is nice on the eyes.
That was just what I was thinking of. Can you PM me on approx cost?

You are of course right in what you suggest about simply visiting Fulton's and maybe that is what I should do. Have also been in contact with a chap called Kevin Hill (he may be on this forum) so a couple of leads to follow up. It was more that if you do a search for such items, very little comes back.

I'll go take a look at the rifle now, maybe evn post some pics. It is awfully tight I have to say.

[Dougan]

I bought the rifle as it was, so not sure of the price of the stock alone - from memory I think they're 6 or 7 hundred quid (fitted).

There's an additional quirk (wouldn't use the word problem) to the Mk4 apart from the bolt lift, in that the bolt doesn't feed the round into the chamber, so you have to load it by hand (or fingers...)...is it the same with the Mk5?

Despite the 'quirks', I really love it - you just have to deal with the loading/unloading issues, and enjoy the lovely trigger and confidence you get from a basic but beautifully straight shooting rifle

About the closing thing again...mine closes just fine, so I would imagine the Mk5 should too...

Some photos would be great; but before you put them on this topic, there are a few threads about the Swing on here - if you use the the search function, there's a topic dedicated to Swing rifles...and I'm sure the Swing fans on here would love to see some pics

Edit: Here's the Swing thread: http://www.full-bore.co.uk/viewtopic.ph ... ng#p131521

[shugie]

My mk. 5 is quite stiff to open, but closes easily enough. Can take quite a bit of force to open the bolt, but this does seem to be a common issue. For a price HPS can fettle Swings to eject better they claim, but I'm getting used to mine. I just put the round in the chamber and close the bolt, no feed issues with RWS from the Bisley Range office. Ejecting is a bit hit and miss, sometimes the case hangs half out and is easy to grab, other times I have to go "fishing" for it.

My stock had been cut rather short, but I've solved that with a four way adjustable butt pad from the Shooting Shed of this parish. Still adjusting it though, should keep me happy for hours. Cost rather less than that admittedly nice stock in the picture above.

The trigger is very nice indeed, and I enjoy shooting my Swing, it shoots really well.

But I'm apparently a barbarian and have removed the target sights and had a rail fitted!

[hitchphil]

Fleabay sometimes turns up things

There is a FB sight now for £50 & a RAP tallboy went for ~£100

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/330903138301? ... 102wt_1202

& there is a rearsight for £50 but its the small PH threaded hole -

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Target-Rifle- ... 142wt_1172

& a Ghemann butt plate went for £45

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290891164576? ... 139wt_1202

[Rickoshay]

Thank you chaps - keep it coming.

So I took the SWING Mk5 out of the cabinet and as it turns out the bolt does close easily, but by jingo you have to give a right old 'whump' to open it. I use the whole of my palm in an upstroke 'slap' to achieve any sort of consistency. You are right about the eject, it sort of 'hangs half in/out' but no real issue. HPS are local to me, but understand they simply refit with a RPA extractor and get the bolt re-proofed.

The stock is not as poor as I recall but low comb and a bit 'untidy'. I'll shoot it a season or two before any investment I think. The adjustable butt plate is a good idea, will take a look at the SHED; I did buy a very nice bore guide for my Rem700 VSSF from them, what a fine piece of engineering that is.

Meanwhile, have taken some photos (I am no David Bailey) and will post shortly. Thank you for the links to the Bay of E , will go take a look.
Cheers

PS Keep the posts coming, am a bit of a sponge

[hitchphil]

A ~5" length of 22mm copper pipe solves the Swing opening problem :-) Have also seen one with the hole in the end of the bolt handle threaded & a M10 bolt fitted in it to make it longer! not very elegant but mechanically a sound approach.

[R.G.C]

A ~5" length of 22mm copper pipe solves the Swing opening problem :-) Have also seen one with the hole in the end of the bolt handle threaded & a M10 bolt fitted in it to make it longer! not very elegant but mechanically a sound approach.

Hitchphil,

A bolt handle extension might hide the problem for a while, but does not solves it. Most of the times, the problem is caused by wear on the right face of the receiver sear pin guide slot where the sear pin bears when the maximum cocking effort occurs. This can be easily visually checked in removing the trigger and checking if the 2 sides of the slot are well parallel at about 5mm wide.
Intense friction occurs at this point and the tangential bearing area of the round sear pin at this point makes the softer receiver metal to wear.

Thid slot is the point who, in the Swings, requires the more lubrification (often neglected while the bolt ramp receive full attention) just to prevent or stop this wear. Care anyway to not over lube for not going in the trigger. This point need constant attention.

The Swings here were transformed long ago with a sear pin offering a larger contact surface (square end) and cutting 3,5mm off the rear of the compression sleeve and adding a Nadella thrust bearing. This reduced considerably the friction on opening.

On extreme cases,we had to recut the slot and fit an oversize pin....Hard work!!!

R.G.C

[Hauptman]

I solved the stiff bolt problem on my mk4 by simply fitting a softer firing pin spring. The original spring is massive, and after suffering a sore bruised palm, I initially resorted using a short length of gas pipe.
Stripping the bolt and changing the spring is easy, but make sure you adjust the firing pin protrusion to no more than 1.6mm on reassembly.
Use of moly grease sparingly around the sear pin slot is also a good idea.

H/man