Is glass bedding needed?

[DannyT]

Hi all,

Just a quick question, I have a Remington 700 P, the stock is a HS precision, it's very good with full aluminium bedding and made from Kevlar, the problem is its a sporter and I dont get on with sporters, probably because I shoot prone and my hand is never comfortable.

So I'm looking at the Bell and Carlson, MacMillan, Choate and AI offerings.

What I want to know is do the above stocks need to be glass bedded to fit my heavy barreled action or are they already well made enough to fit without any further work? As I'm primarily using the gun for long range small targets I need the stock to give consistency.

Cheers,
Danny.

[The Gun Pimp]

The Bell & Carlson and Choate with the V aluminium bedding-block should be OK as a drop-in. For ultimate accuracy, you can't beat a full bedding job but try it first. You'll have to bed the McMillan.

The AI in theory is a drop-in for a Remmy 700 - but not quite - your gunsmith will know what to do.

[DannyT]

Thanks mate very helpful.

Atb.

[Matt]

An interesting question that I recently asked 2 different highly respected gunsmiths about after spending a while researching on the internet (I have an aics with a 'triggers broom' remy combo)

My web time came back with as many saying do it as those who said don't bother and I got two different answers from the smiths sign01 tongueout

Still, worse things happen at sea :lol:

[Maggot]

I guess it depends whether the fixing and contact between the action and the stock/chassis is good and stable enough.

The whole point is (as I understand it) is that any changes, warpage, temperature, interaction with the bipod/bag etc are not passed onto the action (and then the barrel).

Also that the reaction on firing to harmonics etc is constant and as required.

I would think (I am no expert you understand) that pillar bedding would also be a good idea depending on whether the stock it rigid/stable enough and what the action is bolted to.

My dolphin was designed to contact and bolt straight to the action.

If there is anything slack you feel it straight away...even if you then do nothing about it....

The centre "Chassis" of the AI/AICS is a ruddy great lump of alloy surrounded by nice moisture proof, temp insensitive polymer.

Ideal if you operate in all weathers.

Dont forget that with some rifles, even though they look as though they dont have free floating barrels, they do, the gap is just not very big, so the setup needs to be right and very stable.

ANY rifle I was expecting to use for long range, comp or precision work to me should have the action bedded well and accurately....not that it will help me but you have to start somewhere.

"Messssssaaaaagggggge....4"

[Matt]

Would be interesting to see if anyone on here has actually had an AICS Devcon bedded, what did it shoot like before and afterwards and how much (if at all) did it improve accuracy?

[ovenpaa]

I have read reports of a couple of the UK 'smiths doing it apparently with good results however people also rave about bedding rails and rings and I do wonder if this is getting towards the laws of diminishing returns.

[Matt]

That's what I was wondering, would be good to hear what someone who's actually had it done thinks though?

[waterford103]

I have a Rem 700 in .260rem in an AICS stock .When I assembled it I checked contact area by using engineer's blue . The alloy bed is perfect but the Rem 700 isn't and showed up by the uneven contact lines . I used a cotrolled amont of accraglass epoxy to improve the contact area. I can't tell whether it's improved the accuracy . Diminishing returns ??

[Maggot]

I have read reports of a couple of the UK 'smiths doing it apparently with good results however people also rave about bedding rails and rings and I do wonder if this is getting towards the laws of diminishing returns.

I guess it depends on just how well suited it is to the action Dave.

I guess some might benefit, some might not.

The AICS was meant to do away with warpage etc, but if the thing don't fit and contact properly I wonder what that does to harmonics and a 30" barrel???