Running .308 rounds in a 7.62x51 NATO chamber

[HALODIN]

I'm constantly working on my technique, that's what beginners do, but it was only to demonstrate a casual plink with milsurp GGG from a rifle that isn't setup properly yet. Given all of that, I still think 2 moa is OK. Mediocrity under adversity is still a positive IMO. I'll post another target once I've used a correct size rear bag, bedded it in properly, added a roll pin, adjusted the barrel tensioning grub screw and tried out some match .308 ammo, just so you know I'm not s***!

[Dougan]

Thanks for the words of encouragement.

:lol: (can't beat a bit of sarcasm )

Apart from the '9' out at 3 o'clock (an obvious trigger snatch) it's not such a bad group...once you've got the rifle sorted and found ammo it likes it won't take you long to half the size of that group

[HALODIN]

Thank you Mr Dougan, very encouraging... clapclap

Quite right, you should have seen it last week, it was twice as bad!

:lol: (can't beat a bit of sarcasm )

Apart from the '9' out at 3 o'clock (an obvious trigger snatch) it's not such a bad group...once you've got the rifle sorted and found ammo it likes it won't take you long to half the size of that group

[Mikaveli]

I know a good many shooters (self included)who shoot better groups than that off hand with no scope just proper sights on their .303s. From a rested rifle using a scope that is not very good shooting.

I know a good many shooters (self excluded) who claim they have that level of ability on the internet, but I see very little evidence of their 'skill' in real life. That's not very constructive criticism. Go on to a fitness forum and everybody can do a sub-4 minute mile, but at the gym they take 8. On bike forums, everyone can lap Cadwell in a minute 30, but on a track day everyone's doing 2 minutes plus... Feel free to come along to a guest day and show us your off-hand, un-rested, open sight groups with your .303 - if you can do it, great.

Even on shooting forums, people rarely post anything other than their best / most impressive target. Halodin's just been open and posted an average group from an informal session.

Another guy at our club had a rifle with one loosened screw holding the stock - correcting it reduced the group size by about 70-80%! So a better approach may have been to enquire what kind of groups he achieves with his preferred rifle at that range. If they're tight (like a tiger), then there's obviously something in the rifle / ammo / setup combination with the M14. If they're about the same, offer a few basic tips on things to concentrate on when shooting to try to help.

[ovenpaa]

Hehe, SteveE can certainly shoot and usually does so for Great Britain however it is well worth meeting up with him in person as he is a smashing and very knowledgeable person to speak to. I certainly enjoy the time we spend together when we meet up at Bisley.

[Maggot]

Thanks for the words of encouragement.

I know a good many shooters (self included)who shoot better groups than that off hand with no scope just proper sights on their .303s. From a rested rifle using a scope that is not very good shooting.

I am not trying to be negative here but perhaps you may need to work on your technique. Quite often when shooting off a bi-pod and a bag at the back the groups can become erratic. If your technique is not perfect the result at the target is often not what you hope for. Every shot you fire should be the best that it can be. Do not force yourself to fire a shot because it is only practice. In practicing you should shoot every shot as if it were the one that means the difference betweening winning or losing a match. In other words only fire good shots do not fire bad shots.

Consistency Steve....That's the bitch!!

My verticals are eratic at the moment, mostly down to inconsistency on my part...annoyingly just above and below the Bull!!

Part me and concentration, part position/but plate (new one inbound) and a tiny smidge of bipod tuning but 99% is me....

[Maggot]

I know a good many shooters (self included)who shoot better groups than that off hand with no scope just proper sights on their .303s. From a rested rifle using a scope that is not very good shooting.

I know a good many shooters (self excluded) who claim they have that level of ability on the internet, but I see very little evidence of their 'skill' in real life. That's not very constructive criticism. Go on to a fitness forum and everybody can do a sub-4 minute mile, but at the gym they take 8. On bike forums, everyone can lap Cadwell in a minute 30, but on a track day everyone's doing 2 minutes plus... Feel free to come along to a guest day and show us your off-hand, un-rested, open sight groups with your .303 - if you can do it, great.

Even on shooting forums, people rarely post anything other than their best / most impressive target. Halodin's just been open and posted an average group from an informal session.

Another guy at our club had a rifle with one loosened screw holding the stock - correcting it reduced the group size by about 70-80%! So a better approach may have been to enquire what kind of groups he achieves with his preferred rifle at that range. If they're tight (like a tiger), then there's obviously something in the rifle / ammo / setup combination with the M14. If they're about the same, offer a few basic tips on things to concentrate on when shooting to try to help.

Possibly....

I consider myself a reasonable F/TR shot...

Imagine how gutted (and fascinated) I was watching Steve ammo testing with a target rifle and getting better groups at 600 than me with a sorted F/TR rig.....

I am afraid he does what it says on the tin....sickeningly so...given he's exe crab :55:

[Maggot]

Thats odd...post disappeared! Meant to say, you might just be very pleasantly surprised by the quality of the GGG

I will be bloody gobsmacked.

We were given it to use on the NRA open day.....if it does 1MOA or better I will be surprised and pleased.

I am only trying it for plinking as I cannot be arsed loading hand loads that work out dearer

[HALODIN]

That was really the purpose of this thread and also my picture of the target, it won't do better than 1 MOA in my rifle, hence not a very good target and my query about pushing .308 in to a 7.62 chamber. I concede the rifle isn't quite right yet, but clearly I think the ammo is partly to blame, as I've shot the same lane with an AI and easily clover leafed the group. In fact, I would argue GGG is probably closer to 1.5-2 MOA, although I'm happy to be proven wrong if someone's brave enough to post a pic of their target...

It's cheap and cheerful, cycles well and gives me range time, which is great because I missed 2.5 months of shooting this summer.

I will be bloody gobsmacked.

We were given it to use on the NRA open day.....if it does 1MOA or better I will be surprised and pleased.

I am only trying it for plinking as I cannot be arsed loading hand loads that work out dearer

[Mikaveli]

I know a good many shooters (self included)who shoot better groups than that off hand with no scope just proper sights on their .303s. From a rested rifle using a scope that is not very good shooting.

I know a good many shooters (self excluded) who claim they have that level of ability on the internet, but I see very little evidence of their 'skill' in real life. That's not very constructive criticism. Go on to a fitness forum and everybody can do a sub-4 minute mile, but at the gym they take 8. On bike forums, everyone can lap Cadwell in a minute 30, but on a track day everyone's doing 2 minutes plus... Feel free to come along to a guest day and show us your off-hand, un-rested, open sight groups with your .303 - if you can do it, great.

Even on shooting forums, people rarely post anything other than their best / most impressive target. Halodin's just been open and posted an average group from an informal session.

Another guy at our club had a rifle with one loosened screw holding the stock - correcting it reduced the group size by about 70-80%! So a better approach may have been to enquire what kind of groups he achieves with his preferred rifle at that range. If they're tight (like a tiger), then there's obviously something in the rifle / ammo / setup combination with the M14. If they're about the same, offer a few basic tips on things to concentrate on when shooting to try to help.

Possibly....

I consider myself a reasonable F/TR shot...

Imagine how gutted (and fascinated) I was watching Steve ammo testing with a target rifle and getting better groups at 600 than me with a sorted F/TR rig.....

I am afraid he does what it says on the tin....sickeningly so...given he's exe crab :55:

Maybe so, but my point was that posting "I'm great, you're s***." doesn't help anybody.