mosin nagant bayonets illegal?

[shotgun sam]

The member at our club got a phone call from a Wpc saing he had to destroy the bayonet as if he takes it out of his home it would be classed as an offensive weapon.
His reply was it would nod be destroyed as it would be kept with the rest of his bayonet collection and that if someone took a kitchen knife out in public that would also be classed as a dangerous weapon so why was she not telling him to destroy all the kitchen knifes in the house.

[Mezzer]

The member at our club got a phone call from a Wpc saing he had to destroy the bayonet as if he takes it out of his home it would be classed as an offensive weapon.
His reply was it would nod be destroyed as it would be kept with the rest of his bayonet collection and that if someone took a kitchen knife out in public that would also be classed as a dangerous weapon so why was she not telling him to destroy all the kitchen knifes in the house.

Sam

What a lot of nonsense! :roll:

Is your club member sure it was in fact a WPC at the copshop and not some window-licker from the local nuthouse on the phone? (not that it's easy to tell the difference these days).
I recall being with a friend after a Sunday shoot at Altcar when we were 'stopped' for a 'routine check' by a couple of lads in an unmarked vehicle. My friend had been using his M44 on the range and it was the complete item i.e. with pig-sticker (pardon the pun).
On being shown the item after asking if we had anything 'interesting' in the car, the 2 x lads then went on to comment that they thought the M44 was a 'well-sorted bit of kit', particularly after being told of its history. There were absolutely no issues with the bayonet as they could see it was a permanently fixed item.

This of course happened south of the border. Your mileage north of the wall obviously varies but hopefully, sanity and a bit of common sense will eventually prevail.

Mezzer

[DL.]

The member at our club got a phone call from a Wpc saing he had to destroy the bayonet as if he takes it out of his home it would be classed as an offensive weapon.
His reply was it would nod be destroyed as it would be kept with the rest of his bayonet collection and that if someone took a kitchen knife out in public that would also be classed as a dangerous weapon so why was she not telling him to destroy all the kitchen knifes in the house.

Why? Because a bayonet is an offensive weapon in law as it is designed to kill or cause injury as its sole purpose..

A kitchen knife is designed with no mal intent in mind.

This really is a simple matter in law, that almost everyone on this thread is taking with a good deal of bluster.

The organisations should be campaigning for FAC holders to have an exemption to allow them to be in possession of offensive weapons in this context.

The rfd reporting this needs his balls felt for being a limp wristed winge-er, if I had used him in the past, he would never get my custom ever again.

[25Pdr]

The rfd reporting this needs his balls felt for being a limp wristed winge-er, if I had used him in the past, he would never get my custom ever again.

A bit harsh! Do you know him? I do.

He said in Scotland you have to have a Knife Licence to sell knives with a blade longer than 3 inches which he doesn't have, so, with a very large business at stake, he simply asked the police for advice.

The Dealer in question makes it his business to stay within the law which can be to our advantage. e.g. he mentioned recently that the law states you must have the correct calibre on your FAC before he can sell you primers, but he can give them away free legally, and charge the cost for car parking. In theory of course.

[shotgun sam]

The member at our club got a phone call from a Wpc saing he had to destroy the bayonet as if he takes it out of his home it would be classed as an offensive weapon.
His reply was it would nod be destroyed as it would be kept with the rest of his bayonet collection and that if someone took a kitchen knife out in public that would also be classed as a dangerous weapon so why was she not telling him to destroy all the kitchen knifes in the house.

Sam

What a lot of nonsense! :roll:

Is your club member sure it was in fact a WPC at the copshop and not some window-licker from the local nuthouse on the phone? (not that it's easy to tell the difference these days).
I recall being with a friend after a Sunday shoot at Altcar when we were 'stopped' for a 'routine check' by a couple of lads in an unmarked vehicle. My friend had been using his M44 on the range and it was the complete item i.e. with pig-sticker (pardon the pun).
On being shown the item after asking if we had anything 'interesting' in the car, the 2 x lads then went on to comment that they thought the M44 was a 'well-sorted bit of kit', particularly after being told of its history. There were absolutely no issues with the bayonet as they could see it was a permanently fixed item.

This of course happened south of the border. Your mileage north of the wall obviously varies but hopefully, sanity and a bit of common sense will eventually prevail.

Mezzer

Mezzer,

The problem we have up here is we have a hams shanker in charge and a hams shanker for a minister for injustice (well that is my opinion of them). In my mind they tarnish the image of Scotland at every turn.

[Mezzer]

The member at our club got a phone call from a Wpc saing he had to destroy the bayonet as if he takes it out of his home it would be classed as an offensive weapon.
His reply was it would nod be destroyed as it would be kept with the rest of his bayonet collection and that if someone took a kitchen knife out in public that would also be classed as a dangerous weapon so why was she not telling him to destroy all the kitchen knifes in the house.

Sam

What a lot of nonsense! :roll:

Is your club member sure it was in fact a WPC at the copshop and not some window-licker from the local nuthouse on the phone? (not that it's easy to tell the difference these days).
I recall being with a friend after a Sunday shoot at Altcar when we were 'stopped' for a 'routine check' by a couple of lads in an unmarked vehicle. My friend had been using his M44 on the range and it was the complete item i.e. with pig-sticker (pardon the pun).
On being shown the item after asking if we had anything 'interesting' in the car, the 2 x lads then went on to comment that they thought the M44 was a 'well-sorted bit of kit', particularly after being told of its history. There were absolutely no issues with the bayonet as they could see it was a permanently fixed item.

This of course happened south of the border. Your mileage north of the wall obviously varies but hopefully, sanity and a bit of common sense will eventually prevail.

Mezzer

Mezzer,

The problem we have up here is we have a hams shanker in charge and a hams shanker for a minister for injustice (well that is my opinion of them). In my mind they tarnish the image of Scotland at every turn.

Sam

Sorry to hear that buddy! Things have obviously gone downhill somewhat since I left a good few years back.

Mezzer

[dodgyrog]

The member at our club got a phone call from a Wpc saing he had to destroy the bayonet as if he takes it out of his home it would be classed as an offensive weapon.
His reply was it would nod be destroyed as it would be kept with the rest of his bayonet collection and that if someone took a kitchen knife out in public that would also be classed as a dangerous weapon so why was she not telling him to destroy all the kitchen knifes in the house.

Sam

What a lot of nonsense! :roll:

Is your club member sure it was in fact a WPC at the copshop and not some window-licker from the local nuthouse on the phone? (not that it's easy to tell the difference these days).
I recall being with a friend after a Sunday shoot at Altcar when we were 'stopped' for a 'routine check' by a couple of lads in an unmarked vehicle. My friend had been using his M44 on the range and it was the complete item i.e. with pig-sticker (pardon the pun).
On being shown the item after asking if we had anything 'interesting' in the car, the 2 x lads then went on to comment that they thought the M44 was a 'well-sorted bit of kit', particularly after being told of its history. There were absolutely no issues with the bayonet as they could see it was a permanently fixed item.

This of course happened south of the border. Your mileage north of the wall obviously varies but hopefully, sanity and a bit of common sense will eventually prevail.

Mezzer

Mezzer,

The problem we have up here is we have a hams shanker in charge and a hams shanker for a minister for injustice (well that is my opinion of them). In my mind they tarnish the image of Scotland at every turn.

Good luck if you ever get independence! - a bunch of idiots in charge led by that plonker Salmond

[polemass]

To DL-FAC holders are in possesion of offensive weapon already-dont you think?what is the point to build the door to the forest?!

[DL.]

To DL-FAC holders are in possesion of offensive weapon already-dont you think?what is the point to build the door to the forest?!

No because for example sake I am an FAC holder who doesn't possess any weapons.

As I said the RFD concerned is the one who's caused a storm in a tea cup by bleating, if he had just gone away quietly and sorted his administration out then the gentleman who posted earlier on this thread would have the rifle in question.

Still I bet police Scotland love the dealer for bringing this highly dangerous matter to their attention!

[North East Sniper]

Hi all

I have just joined the forum after I got pointed to this thread so I thought I would share some info on this farce as it is spreading all over Scotland by the looks of things

This happened in the last few days I may add

I am up in Aberdeenshire and a mate of mine has a mosin nagant complete with bayonet, long story short firearms officer phoned asking about the "Russian rifle and if there was a bayonet with it" (words from the gob of the FEO) and wanted to do an inspection

FEO came round and I believe the convo went a bit like this

FEO - what the bayonet is for and do you use it?
reply - Yes I use it, for balance of the rifle and harmonics of the barrel for accuracy and its also part of the rifle as it was when it was issued in the 40's
FEO - You can't use the bayonet in a public place
Reply - Gets used at military ranges and local ranges where the public don't get access too
FEO - Military ranges are ok to use it but I'm not sure about local ranges so I will need to ask my boss about that

FEO goes away then 1hr later the FEO phones again

FEO - My boss (firearms manager) says you can NOT use it anywhere as it is an offensive weapon (or words to that affect) and if you do use it you could end up losing all of your firearms because of it. I have to do a report and my Boss will do a report then both reports are going to be sent to Glasgow and Glasgow will have the final say about the bayonets




My view on this after reading the legislation and another forum thread which was posted by a police officer on a well known forum

Firearms are talking RUBBISH when they tell you can't use them, and I would LOVE to see them try and take away firearms because of a bayonet, and they are just trying to be ABOVE the law for the following reasons

1. its NOT illegal to possess it
2. As long as you have "reasonable excuse" to be using it then you are NOT committing an offense (under ANY law)
3. As long as you are NOT using it in a threatening manner then you are NOT committing an offense
4. It is ONLY up to the arresting officer to decide if it warrants you to be charged with any offence at the time of being stopped and that officer needs reason for an arrest
5. It is ONLY up to the arresting officer to decide if you have INTENT to use it to harm anyone thus giving the officer to reason for an arrest
6. IT is ONLY for a court to decide if your "Reasonable Excuse" is a worthy reason or not, IF you have had the misfortune of getting an arrest happy officer that does decide to charge you with anything
7. IF you get charged with an offence, then any half decent barrister/lawyer is going to be able to show "Reasonable Excuse" for you having it and transporting it and using it in a safe responsible manner (if you have transported and used it in a safe responsible manner) which will result in the case being thrown out of court
8. ALL legislation says a defence only needs a "Reasonable Excuse" to be able to use such an item
9. Legislation points at the INTENT of how the item is used

It's NOT down to firearms if you can use it or not, it is basically down to the officer that stops you, to decide if there is just cause for an arrest, and that will come down to common sense by the officer who will decipher if you have intent to harm anyone with it or are using it for legitimate reasons, and if you are transporting it in a safe responsible manner

If you have it in a gun slip WITH the rifle and are coming from or going to a range, then that does NOT constitute as a threat to anyone unless you say sumit stupid to the officer, so doesn't warrant an arrest and I would like to think the officer would also see the same at the time
BUT
If you had it laying on the back seat in its full glory or are waving it around in a pubic place then that could be looked at as potential or intent to harm, so the officer could use that as a reason for an arrest

My view is if you have good reason for having it out to a range, and you use it and transport it responsibly then there is NO judge in the land can or will convict you of any offense at all, and the firearms are just trying to make up the law as they go along

Also I'm sure that ANYONE with common sense would come to this same conclusion, WHY would anyone turn to a bayonet to use it as an offensive weapon when the rifle, bolt and ammo would be right at hand beside the bayonet, just stupid IMHO

As for Salmond, well least said about that the better IMHO he should crawl back to where he came from and STAY there, as if he gets his way then it will not benefit ANYONE and ONLY cause grief in IMHO

Lol rant over, anyway I thought I would share this info with all, as it does seem this bayonet farce is spreading all over Scotland