well im annoyed

[Andy632]

My FEO always shows up in a small white van and I do agree planting a couple of uniformed on the door step and marked car outside is going to draw attention however they must have felt their actions were justified. It would be interesting to hear why they felt the needed to make a check in such a manner.

It's common up here for the officer doing the checks to turn up in uniform & in a marked car; I've only seen one real FEO in the Highlands during my 40 odd years of FAC ownership. Last Sergeant who came to see me phoned to arrange appointment and told me, when asked, that he would be in Uniform and in a Marked car.

[M99]

i called both numbers on the cards and neither go to the person in question

Maybe they've had to divert their phones since their contact details were published on the Internet.

I suggest you start being a lot more discrete. Your posts showing-off how much ammo you have were accompanied by photos that could help someone defeat your security. Now you've also broadcast detailed information about officers/staff who came to visit you, which could be used to build a compelling cover story by people with bad intentions (which might be used against others, not just you). Home office guidelines suggest that cabinets are located where they are not visible from the street - what is the point of that if you shout from the virtual rooftops exactly what you have, where it is, how it is secured etc etc.

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Erm...

Unless I've missed some other pics (in which case ignore all that follows!), the ones of Jackmanuk's ammo safe merely show the safe itself and its contents: not its location within the house, or for that matter the house itself. You can easily see the inside of any British Standard-compliant gunsafe by, er, browsing the manufacturer's website, in most (if not all) cases. Defeating the physical security of the safe is a simple matter of reading the manufacturer's specs and/or the BS itself and equipping yourself appropriately. It's certainly no secret that all firearms and ammo must be installed within a BS-compliant cabinet.

As for the Beds "prevent engagement" constables: their department certainly exists, even if the individuals claiming to be police officers aren't kosher. If anything, by posting those details Jackmanuk's done the rest of us a favour: if anyone now rocks up on our doorsteps claiming to be from a murky counter-terror unit and demanding all manner of things without a warrant, we know to f*** them off at the high port and call the real police ASAP. He's alerted us to a very real security (and indeed liberty) threat.

I find it inconceivable (but not entirely unbelievable) that two constables could set out to entrap an FAC holder's family into admitting a serious criminal offence without someone else in the police department responsible for those matters at least being aware of what they'd set off to do, and the force FLD not knowing anything about a visit rings huge alarm bells for me.

Nobody demanded anything as far as I can see, just you using any excuse to go off on a police bashing thread again.

They turned up, asked to inspect and were invited in.

[Thorney]

So whats the consensus here? Is this a genuine plod enquiry or something a bit more sinister?

[Jackmanuk]

Right I have since received a call from onr of the people on the card and he has said he wants to reattempt the inspection and interveiw on thursday . I told him I was not happy that you inspected my safe withoit me there and no priour warning and all I got back was its an agreement with your license requires that we can do spot checks . So it sound like ita something thats going to happen with all gun owners in luton. Probally due to all the negitive news luton has they want to appear to be tackling nutters with guns. Which would beg the question why would a nutter be allowed legal guns in the first place

Regards Jack

[Jackmanuk]

And there is no law saying what you can and cant tell people what funs and ammo I have . Come to a range day and you will soon see then . If an admin has an issue of what I post they can delete it .

Regards Jack

[rox]

Erm...

Unless I've missed some other pics (in which case ignore all that follows!), the ones of Jackmanuk's ammo safe merely show the safe itself and its contents: not its location within the house, or for that matter the house itself.

So you think it's good security practice to to announce to the connected world that you have loads of ammo, the address at which it is located, and accompany this with photos of the locks, hinges and internal structure of your 'safe'?

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[HALODIN]

At least the officers are legit, it could have been worse.

I'd be interested to know why your FEO couldn't do the spot check rather than counter terrorism officers, seems very over the top to me.

[HALODIN]

Where was this lot posted?

So you think it's good security practice to to announce to the connected world that you have loads of ammo, the address at which it is located, and accompany this with photos of the locks, hinges and internal structure of your 'safe'?

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[Jackmanuk]

Erm...

Unless I've missed some other pics (in which case ignore all that follows!), the ones of Jackmanuk's ammo safe merely show the safe itself and its contents: not its location within the house, or for that matter the house itself.

So you think it's good security practice to to announce to the connected world that you have loads of ammo, the address at which it is located, and accompany this with photos of the locks, hinges and internal structure of your 'safe'?

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what address is that then and if you go on the internet you can see the safe . also most of the pic is boxes not ammo itsself so theres no proof on the amound of ammo I have

Regards Jack

[rox]

what address is that then

It took me 60 seconds to find purely from the info you have given on this forum.

also most of the pic is boxes not ammo itsself so theres no proof on the amound of ammo I have

You told us how much you have. Who needs proof?

if you go on the internet you can see the safe

Sure, now that you've shown us what type of safe you have at <your address> I could look online (but I still probably wouldn't see the detail you've shown us in your photos).

Why do you think it is mentioned in the guidance notes that security cabinets should be sited 'out of view', and that the chief officer should consider whether it is 'generally known' that there are firearms stored at the premises? It seems like you think these don't apply to the online world. There is 'uproar' on here whenever it is suggested that a third party may gain access to data including the address of FAC holders (e.g. GPs, or the operators of the NRA database). And yet you (and Gaz) seem to be arguing that it's fine to give away this information, along with details of your security facilities, freely online.

Anyway, you obviously don't think there's any security implication, so carry on! Good luck with your variation or whatever it is.

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