24" and less, a place to discuss all things handgun related, section 7.3. Long barrelled revolvers, long barrelled pistols and section 5. Overseas contributions are more than welcome.
BASC doesn't give a damn about anything it can't claim the credit for
Though BASC have done this in the past, in relation to the previous unity campaign it would not have got where it had done without BASC, and to be honest, without BASC FUK would not really be anything.
I've had a run in with Firearms UK in the past. They are a bunch of know nothing's on Facebook. They are also "out there like Pluto" I wouldn't be so quick to support their initiative.
If I recall countryman, I've spoken to you in the past on the matter and, though I will support any petition I refuse to support FUK.
I've had a run in with Firearms UK in the past. They are a bunch of know nothing's on Facebook. They are also "out there like Pluto" I wouldn't be so quick to support their initiative.
If I recall countryman, I've spoken to you in the past on the matter and, though I will support any petition I refuse to support FUK.[/quote]
IsleShoot wrote:
Other than a blog post by Joshua Hicks (A certified American) I can't find any reference to armed self defence on Firearmsuk's website nor am I aware that they have promoted it elsewhere?
There's also articles and comments by "Erica" and "Dave" who express support for self defence with firearms.
I would love to have pistols back. Likewise, you'd be hard pushed to find anyone as pro-RKBA than me, however, I'm also a pragmatist, one is never going to come about if it's even remotely promoted with the other in the wings, or event the slightest suggested.
And if a Luddite like me can find the references, a skilled and experienced researcher for the antis will have no trouble....
In 1978 I was told by my grand dad that the secret to rifle accuracy is, a quality bullet, fired down a quality barrel..... How has that changed?
Guns dont kill people. Dads with pretty Daughters do...!
Sim G wrote:
There's also articles and comments by "Erica" and "Dave" who express support for self defence with firearms.
I would love to have pistols back. Likewise, you'd be hard pushed to find anyone as pro-RKBA than me, however, I'm also a pragmatist, one is never going to come about if it's even remotely promoted with the other in the wings, or event the slightest suggested.
I did???
I always wrote with the same pragmatism that you speak of Sim, don't even recall explicitly writing anything like that
Sim G wrote:
There's also articles and comments by "Erica" and "Dave" who express support for self defence with firearms.
I would love to have pistols back. Likewise, you'd be hard pushed to find anyone as pro-RKBA than me, however, I'm also a pragmatist, one is never going to come about if it's even remotely promoted with the other in the wings, or event the slightest suggested.
I did???
I always wrote with the same pragmatism that you speak of Sim, don't even recall explicitly writing anything like that
I didn't realise "Dave" was you, Dave....
Anyway, written in April 2013;
What have these laws achieved? The disarmament of the law-abiding citizens and the creation of easy victims for the criminal element who are not inclined to follow laws. This is a great situation for criminals in the UK. They know that they have pretty much total control over a defenceless victim. The odds are that this victim will not have anything to mount an effective defence to even the odds.
Some people may be shocked at the idea that law-abiding people should be permitted to carry an item for self-defence and will cite Americas homicide rates as proof that they are right. Well I am sorry but they are wrong.
Recent trends from the US indicate that the states with the most relaxed firearms laws that allow open/concealed carry in public have violent crime rates lower than those with very strict gun laws. Crime levels that continue to drop with every relaxation of gun law.
In 1978 I was told by my grand dad that the secret to rifle accuracy is, a quality bullet, fired down a quality barrel..... How has that changed?
Guns dont kill people. Dads with pretty Daughters do...!
Sim G wrote:
There's also articles and comments by "Erica" and "Dave" who express support for self defence with firearms.
I would love to have pistols back. Likewise, you'd be hard pushed to find anyone as pro-RKBA than me, however, I'm also a pragmatist, one is never going to come about if it's even remotely promoted with the other in the wings, or event the slightest suggested.
I did???
I always wrote with the same pragmatism that you speak of Sim, don't even recall explicitly writing anything like that
I didn't realise "Dave" was you, Dave....
Anyway, written in April 2013;
What have these laws achieved? The disarmament of the law-abiding citizens and the creation of easy victims for the criminal element who are not inclined to follow laws. This is a great situation for criminals in the UK. They know that they have pretty much total control over a defenceless victim. The odds are that this victim will not have anything to mount an effective defence to even the odds.
Some people may be shocked at the idea that law-abiding people should be permitted to carry an item for self-defence and will cite Americas homicide rates as proof that they are right. Well I am sorry but they are wrong.
Recent trends from the US indicate that the states with the most relaxed firearms laws that allow open/concealed carry in public have violent crime rates lower than those with very strict gun laws. Crime levels that continue to drop with every relaxation of gun law.
Just went through the site, Dave is the other Dave in FirearmsUK, my stuff is all the young shooters stuff which was mostly about shooting on a budget etc... explains why in trawling through what I had written I couldn't find any reference to self-defence, closest I got was 'shooters rights'
And funnily enough, under the "who is online" at the bottom of this thread was you and a DaveFirearmsUK....
He's obviously decided not to comment yet. If he's anything to do with the campaign, he needs to. Likewise, he needs to have the Firearms UK site purged of all references of defence, rights, RKBA. People are looking at this campaign, some are deciding whether to support it or not. One PM I had last night asking where I saw the defence stuff, is who we want behind such a campaign, but, people have to be aware, pistols for paper targets. Anything else is a non starter....
In 1978 I was told by my grand dad that the secret to rifle accuracy is, a quality bullet, fired down a quality barrel..... How has that changed?
Guns dont kill people. Dads with pretty Daughters do...!
I'm the "Dave" I believe people have been referring too. I operate as the publicity manager for Firearms UK and I would like to take the opportunity to address any issues or queries anyone has regarding Firearms UK or our latest campaign.
Firearms UK is a voluntary organisation that campaigns for fairer firearms laws in the UK and argue(like many other organisations) that laws should be evidence based.
To be absolutely clear our current campaign is to get .22 pistols back for sporting purposes there is absolutely no mention of armed self defence in this campaign. It is purely to allow the sport of small bore pistol shooting to flourish again. Something I would hope that every shooter would support even if you unfortunately feel you cannot support our organisation.
I do not want the subject of armed self defence to dominate this campaign but I will address this issue, yes we have talked about it in the past as part of the greater discussion of firearms ownership. We are aware that it is unlikely to happen any time soon and that many shooters are also against such a proposal, we do think it is a subject worthy of discussion especially if it does highlight the fallacy of many "gun control" laws. Something that perhaps sets us apart from many of the other fine shooting organisations.
Again I must reiterate that the current campaign is not calling for any form of armed self defence.
Regarding countryman's "run in" with us, I too would be quite interested to know exactly what this was?
If anyone has any questions please don't hesitate to contact me.
IsleShoot wrote:
Don't leave us hanging, whats the beef?
I don't feel it is my place to disparage Firearms UK with my personally issues of the organisation on an open Forum,
Nah, if its a personal issue lets keep it that way, none of my business.
For the record, I see no need for private citizens to be armed, I really don't think that level of risk exists in the UK. I'm only interested in the repeal of the '97 amendment for sports shooting i.e. IPSC which is my choosen discipline. I also accept that we have to start with the (No.2) Amendement as a repeal that would bring about fullbore pistols is still a long way off.
