FirearmsUK - Unity 2015

[Sim G]

I've been writing letters since 1996.

Probably on a list....

[IsleShoot]

I started writing to my MP in late 2013 so a long way behind you Sim but hopefully this initiative will propel more to do so which will add more weight to our common cause?

[dromia]

Surely the need should be the choice of the individual.

If you feel that you don't need it then don't have it, but don't impose that on other people who may see their needs as different.

[IsleShoot]

Surely the need should be the choice of the individual.

If you feel that you don't need it then don't have it, but don't impose that on other people who may see their needs as different.

Agreed, more choice for the indivdual and more trust from the state to allow us to live our lives as we choose.

The Unity2015 campaign is certainly based in the desire to have more individual choice but is focused on the sporting application of .22 pistols and shouldn't get hi-jacked by the self-defense debate which is even more emotive than the 'pistol debate'.

[DaveFirearmsUK]

As dromia and IsleShoot suggested it's not really about need it's about freedom of choice and trust.

When people start to use the word "need" it can be very dangerous territory as how many people who own firearms actually "need" them? We don't "need" to collect, clay pigeon shoot or target shoot.

Equally it can be used as a counter argument against anti's using their own logic as we can also point out the myriad of potentially dangerous things that people own but don't really "need". I'm sure many people don't really "need" their cars. Think of the amount of lives that could be saved if people had to provide good reason to own a car, an argument could even be made about the reduction in pollution and congestion. Surely the inconvenience would be worth it? Of course this would never happen due to the number of motorists on the roads.


Increasing the number of shooters who not only participate in the sport but actively lobby is also another important factor in ensuring the future of shooting and expanding it's scope in the UK.



EDIT: I meant to add that I have tried to address some of the issues raised but the post appears to be the last on page 3 in case anyone has missed it.

Once again if anyone has further queries then please don't hesitate to ask.

Thank you

[nearly there]

Well my mp is a member of the snp.more chance of finding a unicorn

[Countryman]

Well some years ago I saw FUK banging on about the return of pistols for self defence. When I suggested they might want want to aim at a target (return of .22 target pistols in the wake of our Olympic success) that might have a chance of rational public support one of their number was interested and another not sure where I was coming from and then some female FUK team member waded in on the attack. She was just trash.

I am an RCO, Club Instructor, Stalker whilst an ex Pro Hunter I remain a very Active shooter. It was clear during the ensuing verbal onslaught that FUK were nothing but a bunch of self publicists with no real understanding or participation in shooting, the law, or any real desire to serve the shooting community. My comments left them looking dumb so they edited the thread to save face.

Bunch of wasters!

I still think that a social media savvy pro shooting organisation is a hell of a powerful prospect but FUK are not the droids you are looking for!

[DaveFirearmsUK]

Well countryman(you're name would happen to be Frank would it?), I'm afraid I have to challenge your comments they are very unfair.


Our team is a mix of casual shooters, airgunners, stalkers, clay shooters, game shooters, target shooters, competitive shooters(high level I might add) many of whom are ex-military. We have many years experience of shooting between us.

So I would say we do know something about shooting. I'm sure you will also recall last years .22 petition which was very specific in what it asked for. This was after lots of careful research into the law and was kindly checked by the legal team of a large shooting association who agreed with our proposals.

Our .22 petition after much hard work not only from ourselves but also supporters and friends within established shooting organisations did achieve around 8,000 signatures more than the previous equally valiant effort. So I would say progress is being made, hampered only by people who still fail to see the importance of unity.

By the way I take it you signed?

"No real desire to serve the shooting community"- I wouldn't say investing money, spending countless man hours lobbying, campaigning and trying to gather signatures as well as taking time off work to attend parliamentary committee meetings or meet with politicians shows no real desire to serve the shooting community. Something that is done entirely voluntarily I might add.



It is unlikely that anyone from the Firearms UK team would censor or edit threads to change their meaning, anyone familiar with our page or team will know that is one of our key principles. We encourage debate and are quite prepared to stand by our words. If anyone edited comments it was more likely the other person involved in the discussion. It does happen from time to time from those who appear to looked rather foolish when it comes to any discussion so we have since learned to take screen shots.

If you are the person I am thinking about the disagreement was caused by yourself and your rather aggressive attitude. I believe you came onto our page trashing our efforts(in the same way you are doing now) because you "knew better" and it wasn't what you wanted to see. In fact I believe you did exactly what you did above by appealing to self-authority in an attempt to belittle the team members involved.

Whilst we try to foster unity it appears that you are trying to encourage division. We only ask that people support us or our campaigns as far as they themselves believe in, we accept there will be disagreement from time to time that's something we can always work on but it should never get in the way of supporting something like the .22 campaign.


Firearms UK is and always has been about protecting shooting & firearms ownership by encouraging individuals to get involved, this is our only interest. We are not a membership organisation and the fact that we encourage members to support all the shooting associations campaigns should speak for itself when we say we are not "self publicising".

[Countryman]

Sure thing Dave. Glad you remember the incident.

I simply suggested that the ship had long sailed on hand guns for self defence and suggested a better course to plot. Sorry if that seemed high handed. Your pet Rottweiler lost my support single handed back then and nothing has changed.

Sure I have every reason to lie and mislead about the actions of your team because you mean that much to me. You must be so proud!

Yes they or perhaps she deleted posts to reduce their loss of face. I subsequently deleted my posts in disgust.

I would have been happy to have assisted a rational initiative with every sinew but not the frothing idiocy that the FUK team presented that day.

The team that dealt with me that day showed themselves to be exactly what I have said and unfortunately you only get one chance at a first impression.

So Dave you seem to have done a huge U Turn in between times but I wouldn't hitch my wagon to your initiative. I expect any of the major shooting organisations would see any initiative FUK lead as a risky association with a highly toxic brand.

[Alpha1]

Ok we have got the message. Feel free to naff of back to Facebook. We are all big boys here we can make up our own mind. We have enough information about your campaign you don't to need hang about. I'm sure you have more important things to do.