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[HALODIN]

Thanks, that made for interesting reading, especially the tone and language of the time. In terms of whether compensation is issued or not, surely it's either written into law or it isn't and if I can't find anything to suggest it is, isn't it safe to assume not offering compensation is unlawful? Whether something happen pre the modern internet doesn't really matter, it would surely be echo'd in modern documents. Don't you think?

No, it is not hearsay, it happened. You may very well not have had "the letter", or the two other people you know, well the 30 of us in the club who applied for LBR variations immediately it became possible, did. This was in the late 90s. As alien as it sounds, not everything went on the internet then and there was a lot of "shooting stuff" that went on before you were perhaps involved in the sport.

FELWEG minutes of that time did record the arguments that surrounded LBRs. GCN and Snowdrop Campaign were at the "top table", whilst the NRA chased its ar$e.

A flavour of the time, early 2000, can be found here;

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 5/9506.htm

Para 104 discusses some LBR issues.

SCGC Self Contained Gas Cartridge. I.e. Brocock. And if you couldn't afford or qualify for the certification for the move to s1 of this gun type, not only could you not sell, recieve, gift or trade in the guns, they had to be surrendered to the police for destruction. Without compensation. Figures quoted at the time that it was believed there were some 80000 of this gun type in circulation, but only 4000 or do either put them on FAC or surrender for destruction.

Likewise, handguns weren't banned, they were just moved to a different category of the legislation, as will any future.

Crack on and buy your LR, nobody is saying anything to the contrary.

[joe]

Thanks, that made for interesting reading, especially the tone and language of the time. In terms of whether compensation is issued or not, surely it's either written into law or it isn't and if I can't find anything to suggest it is, isn't it safe to assume not offering compensation is unlawful? Whether something happen pre the modern internet doesn't really matter, it would surely be echo'd in modern documents. Don't you think?

No, it is not hearsay, it happened. You may very well not have had "the letter", or the two other people you know, well the 30 of us in the club who applied for LBR variations immediately it became possible, did. This was in the late 90s. As alien as it sounds, not everything went on the internet then and there was a lot of "shooting stuff" that went on before you were perhaps involved in the sport.

FELWEG minutes of that time did record the arguments that surrounded LBRs. GCN and Snowdrop Campaign were at the "top table", whilst the NRA chased its ar$e.

A flavour of the time, early 2000, can be found here;

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 5/9506.htm

Para 104 discusses some LBR issues.

SCGC Self Contained Gas Cartridge. I.e. Brocock. And if you couldn't afford or qualify for the certification for the move to s1 of this gun type, not only could you not sell, recieve, gift or trade in the guns, they had to be surrendered to the police for destruction. Without compensation. Figures quoted at the time that it was believed there were some 80000 of this gun type in circulation, but only 4000 or do either put them on FAC or surrender for destruction.

Likewise, handguns weren't banned, they were just moved to a different category of the legislation, as will any future.

Crack on and buy your LR, nobody is saying anything to the contrary.

It wouldn't be illegal if it's written in an act of parliament! Unlike many counties no act of Parliament may striked down by the high court regardless of how unconstitutional it may be

[HALODIN]

Surely if it's written in an act of parliament, I should be able to find some reference to it on the internet?

It wouldn't be illegal if it's written in an act of parliament! Unlike many counties no act of Parliament may striked down by the high court regardless of how unconstitutional it may be

[Sim G]

Surely if it's written in an act of parliament, I should be able to find some reference to it on the internet?

Just clarify for me, what is it that you wish to find?

[HALODIN]

I don't doubt you, but I always cross reference my facts. Surely these Home Office instructions are visible to the public somewhere, aren't they?

Just clarify for me, what is it that you wish to find?

[joe]

I don't doubt you, but I always cross reference my facts. Surely these Home Office instructions are visible to the public somewhere, aren't they?

Just clarify for me, what is it that you wish to find?

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There is prob no law on the matter (except for the 1997 ban on pistols) but if the government wanted to
Ban whatever firearms without compensation they could easily pass an act stating so that's what I meant in my previous post !
Let's hope the NRA et al grow a pair and fight for our rights ! And shooters
Actually stick together

[HALODIN]

As long as there's political appetite for such a thing, then yes it could be written into law, the question is would they. I'm of the opinion the internet would unify the shooting community and banning or reclassifying firearms without compensation, would now be quite difficult in the UK.

There is prob no law on the matter (except for the 1997 ban on pistols) but if the government wanted to
Ban whatever firearms without compensation they could easily pass an act stating so that's what I meant in my previous post !
Let's hope the NRA et al grow a pair and fight for our rights ! And shooters
Actually stick together

[RDC]

As long as there's political appetite for such a thing, then yes it could be written into law, the question is would they. I'm of the opinion the internet would unify the shooting community and banning or reclassifying firearms without compensation, would now be quite difficult in the UK.

You mean like recently when it looked like the EU was going to bum all of us who like black guns, yet some members of the TR community actively welcomed it?

I saw too much 'I'm alright Jack' attitude.

[HALODIN]

To continue your tone, I'd say the British shooting community has been brutalised by the British government in the last 30 years, I don't think there's much appetite for further restrictions, despite what some TR members might say... Thwarting an EU ban should be relatively easy, because we can capitalise on the back of BREXIT. Anti-EU and even anti-establishment sentiment is at an all time high and growing. All we'd need to do is to organise ourselves, present an air-tight argument and show a united front. It's not insurmountable as long as you have the right energy driving the campaign. To define the previous campaign as lacklustre is an insult to lacklustre. As with anything in life, if you want something badly enough you can have it.

You mean like recently when it looked like the EU was going to bum all of us who like black guns, yet some members of the TR community actively welcomed it?

I saw too much 'I'm alright Jack' attitude.

[RDC]

To continue your tone, I'd say the British shooting community has been brutalised by the British government in the last 30 years, I don't think there's much appetite for further restrictions, despite what some TR members might say... Thwarting an EU ban should be relatively easy, because we can capitalise on the back of BREXIT. Anti-EU and even anti-establishment sentiment is at an all time high and growing. All we'd need to do is to organise ourselves, present an air-tight argument and show a united front. It's not insurmountable as long as you have the right energy driving the campaign. To define the previous campaign as lacklustre is an insult to lacklustre. As with anything in life, if you want something badly enough you can have it.

You mean like recently when it looked like the EU was going to bum all of us who like black guns, yet some members of the TR community actively welcomed it?

I saw too much 'I'm alright Jack' attitude.

I'm all for supporting all shooting. Sadly I don't feel I can say the same about our representative organisations. You only have to look at Mercer's brief in the latest NRA mag to see that they are out of touch. Having 'great reservations' regarding the use of streaming to social media and then incredibly surprised that many thousands actually watch it. Or their insistence on avoiding all political discussion regarding firearms, yet when they do it is to have an interview on their local radio...

I'm sick of hearing that the NRA aren't allowed to petition our government to treat us as law abiding citizens because they are a 'Charity'. Every charity out there kicks up a fuss politically!