Permanently attached suppressors ?

[Swamp Donkey]

Intention.

If you cut down (for eg) a 10-22 to 8", with the INTENTION of keeping it so, then bang to rights, illegal.

If it with the intention of then permanently making it over 12" again, by way of a permanent moderator, then its fine.

You'd be stripping the barrel off to shorten/thread/crown etc, thus 'disassembled', and it will still be considered so, until finished.

Davie, same experience with the lbr brace.

I think re. Shortening a shotgun barrel to then extend as a repair, and doesn't include rifles, is because shotguns are smooth bore, rifles are rifled, so the expectation of someone 'adding length' to a rifled barrel isn't there, due to the inpracticalities of doing so.

Remember, UK law allows anything UNLESS a law says otherwise. So, no law says you cannot shorten a sec 1 barrel in the process of repair, so you can do it.

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[safetyfirst]

I've heard from many many people that of the barrel ever drops below 30cm it's section 5 forever.

Caution team!

[safetyfirst]

I'm about to embark on something that needs a concrete answer, son I'll ask my dept and see what they say in writing.

[TattooedGun]

Remember, UK law allows anything UNLESS a law says otherwise. So, no law says you cannot shorten a sec 1 barrel in the process of repair, so you can do it.

By your own rationale, the UK law allows something UNLESS a law says otherwise.

There IS a law that states the barrel cannot be less than 12" long. It doesn't say "unless temporary" or "whilst being repaired" or any other such caveat.

As a gunsmith, if you had in your lathe a part dismantled barrel, that had been cut to less than 12" and it had a chamber, you would be in possession of a restricted item (Sec. 5). If for any reason there was a surprise inspection or raid on your premises at that point, no amount of "I was going to make it legal" is going to help, you're in possession of items you shouldn't be, and you could especially with the current political climate, be made an example of.

As I've said before in other threads on the same subject. It's mostly hypothetical, you could have the work done, and nobody would ever batter an eyelid, most FEO's wouldn't know the difference of one that was done by the letter of the law (un-chambered or back-bored) verses one that was cut threaded and welded. And likely they'd never ask or show any interest.

Thinking about it, the easiest way to do this to an existing barrel would be to cut the chamber end off, and destroy the chamber, do the work to an unchambered barrel, and then re-chamber afterwards... providing you want more taken off than the chamber... It would be a LOT of work though... but you'd essentially be lawful at all times.

[Swamp Donkey]

Whatever, I'm bored of all this now....

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[MistAgain]

Intention.

If you cut down (for eg) a 10-22 to 8", with the INTENTION of keeping it so, then bang to rights, illegal.

If it with the intention of then permanently making it over 12" again, by way of a permanent moderator, then its fine.

You'd be stripping the barrel off to shorten/thread/crown etc, thus 'disassembled', and it will still be considered so, until finished.

Davie, same experience with the lbr brace.

I think re. Shortening a shotgun barrel to then extend as a repair, and doesn't include rifles, is because shotguns are smooth bore, rifles are rifled, so the expectation of someone 'adding length' to a rifled barrel isn't there, due to the inpracticalities of doing so.

Remember, UK law allows anything UNLESS a law says otherwise. So, no law says you cannot shorten a sec 1 barrel in the process of repair, so you can do it.

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So you are suggesting that an FAC holder should lie to the authorities by saying he had cut down the barrel to " Repair " it !

That is not very clever on a forum that can be accessed and read by anyone .

As far as the LBR write brace/extensions are concerned , most decent dealers that I know , when putting a different style of brace on the firearm , leave the existing one on till they have put the new one in place .

However there is a court case coming up soon that may shed some light on what can or cannot be done regarding wrist braces .

[Gazza]

As far as the LBR write brace/extensions are concerned , most decent dealers that I know , when putting a different style of brace on the firearm , leave the existing one on till they have put the new one in place.

Hows that done then? I cant see how 2 braces can be on an LBR at the same time

[MistAgain]

SYSS put their brace on Taurus revolvers from the bottom of the flat of the butt , while leaving the bendy wire taurus brace that came out of the back strap on until the replacement was fixed .

The same method was used on the Freedom Arms revolvers .

I can think of at least half a dozen other dealers who do it that way , and some of them take date stamped pictures of each stage .

It might be a pain in the neck , but its better than leaving yourself open to a nice visit to court or even a bollocking from your local registry boss .

[Gazza]

I get it now

[ovenpaa]

My local firearms senior decision maker (Boss) has confirmed he is quite OK about me removing the brace of an LBR for repair/replacement.