What do people use Pistol calibres for in UK (9mm,.45 etc.)

[mag41uk]

I saw the mag video he did last year.
I did ask who made them but never got a reply.
You can occasionally pick up the rifles pretty cheap and I did toy with getting one.
Mags at £150 a piece isn't such a big deal if you can get a rifle for £350.
Maybe buy 500 and get the price down etc etc.
The only down side is that a couple of club mates owned them but could allegedly never get any accuracy out of them.

[Mattnall]

SGC's version

SGC Lever_n.jpg

That's the sort of thing. It was unveiled at the Shot Shot last year or the year before in various calibres up to 45ACP (IIRC). but the lever was curved a little and looked more like it was designed to fit the AR and not just a under-lever stolen from a Marlin or Winchester.

[bradaz11]

That's the sort of thing. It was unveiled at the Shot Shot last year or the year before in various calibres up to 45ACP (IIRC). but the lever was curved a little and looked more like it was designed to fit the AR and not just a under-lever stolen from a Marlin or Winchester.

HUH? no, that was it, . that was taken at the show at SGC stand?

theres also that franklin armoury - binary trigger 'thing'

[Geek]

Actually i remembered seeing this before on here, a ruger 96 someone customised.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcHH24yKNn4

Some superb innovation here, I am really impressed. I just wish he had cycled it a bit slower for the video...

I too was impressed, also, I agree with your comment above "I just wish he had cycled it a bit slower for the video", if this did become commercially available, in my opinion it would go the same way as MARS and lever release!

[channel12]

A club member has (had?) one of the original SGC lever action rifles in 30 cal which he thought would give him an advantage in the club lever action matches. Match organisers made him do reloads with loose rounds like everybody else had to do with normal lever actions.

[Airbrush]

Actually i remembered seeing this before on here, a ruger 96 someone customised.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcHH24yKNn4

Some superb innovation here, I am really impressed. I just wish he had cycled it a bit slower for the video...

I too was impressed, also, I agree with your comment above "I just wish he had cycled it a bit slower for the video", if this did become commercially available, in my opinion it would go the same way as MARS and lever release!

I agree, any innovation in firearm cycling/rate of fire is doomed now. The SGC would eventually be banned because it is box fed unlike traditional tube fed lever actions.

[Mattnall]

HUH? no, that was it, . that was taken at the show at SGC stand?

theres also that franklin armoury - binary trigger 'thing'

The one I was thinking about had a curved lever loop and I believe was made by a US company.

[38Super]

I agree, any innovation in firearm cycling/rate of fire is doomed now. The SGC would eventually be banned because it is box fed unlike traditional tube fed lever actions.

I'd respectfully like to disagree with you on this.

I didn't follow the LR case that carefully as to the real reasons behind the ban but a high rate of fire was definitely mentioned. As we know a skilled shooter with a Lee Enfield and stripper clips or a straight pull AR can put out high sustained rates of fire and Cowboy Action shooters can empty a lever action in an amazingly short space of time. To my knowledge there has been nothing like the same reaction to these (or was there?).

Would a lever action version of an M1 carbine for example be viewed the same as a lever 'release' version? The possible ROF of either would be almost identical.

Is it more about looks or that 'normal' lever action is really only suitable for pistol calibre cartridges? If you put a lever action M1 carbine in front of a journalist would they relax and call it a "Winchester" or get all excited and call it an "AR15" because it's an assault rifle?

The lever release mechanism was frowned upon by the police from it's inception as treading too close to the 'self loading' line and the double trigger pull version was a step too far. I don't believe that doesn't mean that we don't have room to innovate using the existing mechanisms that everyone is happy with.

[Airbrush]

I agree, any innovation in firearm cycling/rate of fire is doomed now. The SGC would eventually be banned because it is box fed unlike traditional tube fed lever actions.

I'd respectfully like to disagree with you on this.

I didn't follow the LR case that carefully as to the real reasons behind the ban but a high rate of fire was definitely mentioned. As we know a skilled shooter with a Lee Enfield and stripper clips or a straight pull AR can put out high sustained rates of fire and Cowboy Action shooters can empty a lever action in an amazingly short space of time. To my knowledge there has been nothing like the same reaction to these (or was there?).

Would a lever action version of an M1 carbine for example be viewed the same as a lever 'release' version? The possible ROF of either would be almost identical.

Is it more about looks or that 'normal' lever action is really only suitable for pistol calibre cartridges? If you put a lever action M1 carbine in front of a journalist would they relax and call it a "Winchester" or get all excited and call it an "AR15" because it's an assault rifle?

The lever release mechanism was frowned upon by the police from it's inception as treading too close to the 'self loading' line and the double trigger pull version was a step too far. I don't believe that doesn't mean that we don't have room to innovate using the existing mechanisms that everyone is happy with.

I think after the latest ban you're being naive, respectfully.

[Blackstuff]

I agree, any innovation in firearm cycling/rate of fire is doomed now. The SGC would eventually be banned because it is box fed unlike traditional tube fed lever actions.

I'd respectfully like to disagree with you on this.

I didn't follow the LR case that carefully as to the real reasons behind the ban but a high rate of fire was definitely mentioned. As we know a skilled shooter with a Lee Enfield and stripper clips or a straight pull AR can put out high sustained rates of fire and Cowboy Action shooters can empty a lever action in an amazingly short space of time. To my knowledge there has been nothing like the same reaction to these (or was there?).

Would a lever action version of an M1 carbine for example be viewed the same as a lever 'release' version? The possible ROF of either would be almost identical.

Is it more about looks or that 'normal' lever action is really only suitable for pistol calibre cartridges? If you put a lever action M1 carbine in front of a journalist would they relax and call it a "Winchester" or get all excited and call it an "AR15" because it's an assault rifle?

The lever release mechanism was frowned upon by the police from it's inception as treading too close to the 'self loading' line and the double trigger pull version was a step too far. I don't believe that doesn't mean that we don't have room to innovate using the existing mechanisms that everyone is happy with.

I agree. I think the tipping point is the gun ejecting the case automatically.