FAC and SGC Renewal

[forbie]

Thats what I was going to ask. If they stipulate an alarm what is their responce time 20, 30, 40 minutes if so whats the point.

[SloeginBill]

The response time downgrade is ACPO policy as a way to both reduce wasted time for false alarm attendance and an incentive to the user and their installer to get the system up to scratch. Years ago it was 6 false alarms in 12 months and get a blacklist for a period of time.
As for the actual reponse time its down to the workload of the force at the time that the call comes in. Current standard requires a verified alarm I.e 2 or more activations from seperate detectors to qualify as a likely genuine activation. 1 circuit activating on is own wouldn't t policed by the monitoring station. If you want a top flight response you need to veify the activation another way as well. A 999 call from a neighbour reporting a chavs arse disappearing through your gf toliet window coupled with an monitored alarm activation should get the highest priority from the police. Verified activity by a monitored CCTV system would also increase the priority.

[saddler]

Remember, the Firearms Security Handbook states that the number of firearms held should not be the only factor in determining the level of security the police can ask you to provide.....

Montored alarms are a gimmick in my opinion. For some reason some firearms deptments have jumped on this as the panacea! They are not. A police force that borders my area won't attend a monitored alarm call if there have been three instances of false alarm.

The Met' will downgrade it from an I (immediate response) to an S grade (get there eventually) if there have been 3 false alarams within 12 months.

Mike

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[SloeginBill]

Thats what I was going to ask. If they stipulate an alarm what is their responce time 20, 30, 40 minutes if so whats the point.

2 schools of thought on that one.
1 - have a monitored alarm with delayed audibles giving mr plod time to catch the intruder in the act. Reality is that mr plod will be late and the intruder will be long gone with your valuables having had a nice peaceful period in which to do his work.
2- get the loudest audible alarm you can ( internal and external) and trigger it immediately. The theory is that the tea leaf won't hang around with WWIII going off around him and will leave empty handed ASAP.

Im with option 2.

[M99]

Remember, the Firearms Security Handbook states that the number of firearms held should not be the only factor in determining the level of security the police can ask you to provide.....

Montored alarms are a gimmick in my opinion. For some reason some firearms deptments have jumped on this as the panacea! They are not. A police force that borders my area won't attend a monitored alarm call if there have been three instances of false alarm.

The Met' will downgrade it from an I (immediate response) to an S grade (get there eventually) if there have been 3 false alarams within 12 months.

Mike

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Brilliant, travelling back up the M6 yesterday, there was a Silver 12 plate Jaguar XF in lane 3 doing 50mph through the roadworks - there was a chav' in a Cavalier right up its ar*e and I mean about a foot away - flashing his headlights at the Jag' - I didn't see his face, just his brake lights as the Police driver in the Jag' flipped the LCD display in the rear window - which simply said "Police" along with the Blues - Said cavalier dropped back VERY rapidly!

Nice Q car!

Mike

[dave_303]

The monitored alarm we are looking into would be linked to mobile phones, apparently Avon and Somerset are happy with this due to the false alarm issues

[SloeginBill]

The monitored alarm we are looking into would be linked to mobile phones, apparently Avon and Somerset are happy with this due to the false alarm issues

Linked by a mobile phone service (gsm) to a monitoring station or linked by a dialler to your own mobile? First one will be part of a dual path communicator (dual com) while the second is not used for a direct police response- you will need to make a 999 call on receipt the alarm activation message.

[ovenpaa]

Ours is to be linked to a call centre via three comms modes and it is they who then alert the key holder and ultimately the police if required. My FEO suggested we would get a fairly prompt response given what is in the house, especially if the panic button was hit as it is on a different circuit and ESN.

[SloeginBill]

You have to be in the house to use the PA, what about when you are out? PA's have always had a priority response as the are a deliberate action on the part of the user to operate them so there cannot be a false alarm ( just accidental).

[ovenpaa]

The PA stays behind if we go out, quite how the police will respond to a PA call versus intruder I do not know however as my primary interest is the well being of the Viking if she is in the house on her own I would hope they would be quick about it should the need arise.

Of course the easy way out is not apply for such a significant change of circumstances but where would the fun be then?