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mr_purple wrote:Can this cartridge be used in current gallery rifle comps ?
Many thanks

I believe it has been shot in Gallery rifle comps. at Bisley. Some unsporting types tried to get it banned because it was noisy wtfwtf.

But I think.…it has been given the OK.

Was it not banned from GR because it had been believed to have been originally designed as a rifle and not pistol cartridge? I have no knowledge other than a conversation with a GR shooter who spoke of this when I proposed .32-20 when he was searching for a new calibre...

Sim G wrote:Was it not banned from GR because it had been believed to have been originally designed as a rifle and not pistol cartridge? I have no knowledge other than a conversation with a GR shooter who spoke of this when I proposed .32-20 when he was searching for a new calibre...

I think they did originally in 2009, then in Jan 2010 the rules were revised.
My own understanding is that you can shoot any calibre you want in "open class" as long as it meets the range safety limits. It is no longer exclusively pistol calibre.

Update, thought I'd better read the rules tesnews

Excerpt from the GRP Rule Handbook

Calibre. Any centrefire calibre. The muzzle velocity must not exceed 2150 ft/sec and the muzzle energy must not exceed 1496 ft. lbs. “Downloaded” fullbore rifle ammunition is not permitted.

So does that mean that full bore rifle ammunition that is not downloaded but does meet the range safety limits is allowed?

e.g. 310 Cadet.

Yes

Individual wrote:Update, thought I'd better read the rules tesnews

Excerpt from the GRP Rule Handbook

Calibre. Any centrefire calibre. The muzzle velocity must not exceed 2150 ft/sec and the muzzle energy must not exceed 1496 ft. lbs. “Downloaded” fullbore rifle ammunition is not permitted.

So does that mean that full bore rifle ammunition that is not downloaded but does meet the range safety limits is allowed?

e.g. 310 Cadet.

So what is "Downloaded"?

You can buy 300AAC factory ammo @ 2200fps or 1000fps, is the 1000fps therefore "Downloaded"?

majordisorder wrote:
So what is "Downloaded"?

You can buy 300AAC factory ammo @ 2200fps or 1000fps, is the 1000fps therefore "Downloaded"?

Don't think they have defined "downloaded"....unless someone knows better?

I would say that if it's commercially available it's not "downloaded".

....and if your handloads replicate factory performance they ain't downloaded either.

John MH wrote:Yes

"Downloaded" cartridges are those which are not readily visually distinguishable from the full-power original. If the cartridge is manufactured from scratch at a given power and it can be identified as such by looking at it, then it is not downloaded. What we are worried about is people using things that look like a prohibited cartridge, because it is then not possible to tell in a simple way that they are not what they appear. I'm sorry, but I'm not well enough up on specifics to give examples: if you ask me about a specific cartridge and have an example to view I can tell you where it falls, but I can't give you a list because I just don't know enough.

Iain
NRA Range Safety

Individual wrote:

majordisorder wrote:
So what is "Downloaded"?

You can buy 300AAC factory ammo @ 2200fps or 1000fps, is the 1000fps therefore "Downloaded"?

Don't think they have defined "downloaded"....unless someone knows better?

I would say that if it's commercially available it's not "downloaded".

....and if your handloads replicate factory performance they ain't downloaded either.

I have some lovely .223 factory loads that are very light and designed for indoor use (and meet the ME and MV for GR), they are a copper resin type bullet made by IMI. Not much good past 100yds but up to that far they are spot on, no recoil and I can use them in my AR.

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