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Well lets hope that the innovation is approved but does not the Home Secretary have the powers to ban something specifically dangerous without any recourse to parliament.

My personal opinion is that having a trigger which discharges a round 50% of the time and acts as a bolt release 50% of the time is an accident waiting to happen. How long until some shooter gets carried away and forgets that he has already released the bolt, then pulls the trigger thinking he is releasing the bolt but in fact discharges a round ?

I do fancy the idea of a .308 or .223 rifle in "self-ejecting" form but would only buy one with a separate bolt release lever.

Put this in some context.
It wasnt so long back we were drawing,highly tricked up,pistols from holsters and doing fire and movement!
And we have been trying to get them back eversince,presumably so we can carry on where we left off.
Sometimes I do think shooters are their own worst enemy!
If this rifle gets the go ahead I will be seriously looking at one.

Tony

You are comparing apples and pears !!

A trigger should be used for one thing and one thing only - discharging a round. Think back to your instruction in firearm safety - you NEVER put your finger inside the trigger guard until ready to discharge a round.


The drawing pistols and the movement you refer to involves keeping your finger out of the trigger guard until ready to discharge a round. That's why its easy to be safe. Don't put your finger on trigger and no ND - simple.

This new system ( as described - I have not seen it operated ) totally changes this and has the shooter depressing the trigger to do something OTHER than discharging a round.

Shooters have NDs when they pull the trigger forgetting they have a round chambered. Shooters are only human and make mistakes. This new system makes it just a bit easier to make that mistake.

breacher wrote:
A trigger should be used for one thing and one thing only - discharging a round. Think back to your instruction in firearm safety - you NEVER put your finger inside the trigger guard until ready to discharge a round.

+1 Got to agree with you on that.

That's the spirit, everyone has got an opinion !

I might be able to offer opinion and question on a few points in this thread.

Looking on the CZ-UB website for information on these would be the wrong place. They are made by CSA, mostly. There are no other UK legal SaVZ58's

Agreed - never put your finger on the trigger until its safe to do so - for most this means ''is the rifle pointing on target ?'' Its a valid point I think, but consider...

....When do you close the action on your turn-bolt, lever, straight pull etc? can you be sure where its pointing if you have to break cheek weld? We may all have witnessed ND when a hand is returned to the wrist of a rifle having operated a conventional bolt and the trigger bumped 'it just went off'.......

so with this design you do not even close the bolt until you are ready to discharge a round. An extra layer of safety perhaps? ( Again opinion only) Anyway do you think a bright ''bolt locked or bolt open" indicator, right in the shooters face might help ?

I'm sure a degree of understanding and skill is needed, anyone not capable should avoid. The same would be true for anything unfamiliar.
A section 5 classification is quite possible and that would put an abrupt end to things but unusually I believe these are not yet for sale, able to be ordered, or have ever been displayed in the UK. I understand the intention is to have full legal support BEFORE product is released.

I agree with Buzz on this, it would be a pointless exercise to turn a full or semi auto section 5 rifle into a double pull section 5 rifle!, I am hoping that Scott may have had some positive soundings from the H. O prior to introducing it to shooters at Bisley, only time will tell, but I hope that this is a first step in a new line of rifles for UK buyers.

Sconie,
Yes. The forecast was 'sunny'
S

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There is a VZ58 thread on the forum and a fair bit of chat there. Ill cut and past this to avoid hijacking this thread.
Its early days. I havn't posted enough to PM but may be able to send you some pics, video etc. in a couple of weeks if your interested.
I'm afraid I cant be sure about the date when they will be offered for sale. NOT before there is full agreement from forensics, government and as least a bit of supporting paperwork to send to licensing departments to assure and help them understand. They paperwork and officials can not be rushed.
Initial calibres offered will be .222 ,.223, 7.62x39 as these are effective, popular and all the porting work is done.
It is possible to chamber in any of the derived calibres, the list is long and there would have to be demand but best chances are 6.5Gr and 300AAC will be offered. Work is being done by a gunsmith on a barrel change system at the moment.
.50 Beowulf anyone?
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I love my straight pull in .223 so a self extractor version would be interesting.