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There's too much of this 'I blame myself' self-flagellation going on these days. The police and anti-gunners seize upon it and twist it into 'see! even gun owners acknowledge they are to blame for crime'.

Blame lies with the perpetrators of crime, not the victim, and it's about bloody time the police stopped being political and got on with the job the public tasked them with - fighting crime.

Racalman wrote: I think you meant incumbent. Recumbent means lying down

Pedantry aside, I agree with you.

MistAgain wrote:

HH1 wrote: I agree that we should not live in fear, but conversely having BASC stickers on your vehicle is asking for trouble. It is for the same reason that RFD's don't typical drive around in vehicles emblazoned with their business details.... we all need to take precautions because there "are" bad people out there..... as members from several of my shooting clubs have found out when the have been mugged of their guns when unloading guns from their cars.

According to a senior Regional Crime policeman , the police and Border Agency are now so successful at preventing illegal firearms entering the country , criminals are now targetting the shooting community to get firearms.

So are the criminals waiting outside ranges and shooting clubs to follow members home and attack them ? = it has already happened. A RFD was followed from a North-West club and his car was broken into and guns taken. it is claimed that they also took a laptop with his customers details, which led to people being mugged in their driveways and guns taken

Are the criminals waiting outside gun shops so they can follow shooters home and attack them ? = already happened several years ago to Ian from Target Sports, Bolton

Are criminals just taking car numbers that are parked outside ranges,clubs and gun shops then getting the car owners details from some bent employee at the DVLA . = quite possible

Are criminals even getting FAC and SGC holders details from a bent policeman or civilian employee ? = I am not aware of it happening

Whats next , will the criminals go for a carrier when they collect guns from the Proof House or a big distributor ? = it could hapen

Sadly the justice system goes after the soft option most times , so the person who had a gun stolen (the victim) gets penalised .
Yet the thief can walk around free , because the police cant or wont get enough evidence to satisfy the CPS .

HH1 wrote:

MistAgain wrote:

HH1 wrote: I agree that we should not live in fear, but conversely having BASC stickers on your vehicle is asking for trouble. It is for the same reason that RFD's don't typical drive around in vehicles emblazoned with their business details.... we all need to take precautions because there "are" bad people out there..... as members from several of my shooting clubs have found out when the have been mugged of their guns when unloading guns from their cars.

According to a senior Regional Crime policeman , the police and Border Agency are now so successful at preventing illegal firearms entering the country , criminals are now targetting the shooting community to get firearms.

So are the criminals waiting outside ranges and shooting clubs to follow members home and attack them ? = it has already happened. A RFD was followed from a North-West club and his car was broken into and guns taken. it is claimed that they also took a laptop with his customers details, which led to people being mugged in their driveways and guns taken
I know two of the people concerned and although they were threatened , there was no actual violence , although one of them was pushed. There was no laptop stolen and the only common factor was they all shot at the same club.


Are the criminals waiting outside gun shops so they can follow shooters home and attack them ? = already happened several years ago to Ian from Target Sports, Bolton

Are criminals just taking car numbers that are parked outside ranges,clubs and gun shops then getting the car owners details from some bent employee at the DVLA . = quite possible

Are criminals even getting FAC and SGC holders details from a bent policeman or civilian employee ? = I am not aware of it happening
In the past couple of years Policemen and civilian employees from both Manchester and Merseyside Police have been prosecuted for passing information to drug gangs.

Whats next , will the criminals go for a carrier when they collect guns from the Proof House or a big distributor ? = it could hapen

Sadly the justice system goes after the soft option most times , so the person who had a gun stolen (the victim) gets penalised .
Yet the thief can walk around free , because the police cant or wont get enough evidence to satisfy the CPS .

MistAgain wrote: According to a senior Regional Crime policeman , the police and Border Agency are now so successful at preventing illegal firearms entering the country , criminals are now targetting the shooting community to get firearms.