Reworking a enfield.303 to pistol calibre

[kennyc]

For some thing to be "downloaded" it must be less than established amount of MV/ME.

Unless there is clarity as to what that benchmark is then the expression is surely meaningless in this context.

For example if we take CIP values for a calibre as the benchmark then is any factory round that comes under those values considered as "downloaded" ammunition?

If so then it would still no doubt be over the top for most 25yrd indoor range certificates even although it is "downloaded".

Hmm I know you tend toward the pedantic, however I think you maybe arguing for the enjoyment of it, at least I didn't mention "heads"

[dromia]

Not being pedantic at all just trying to get some clarity around it as from what I read on here there is some very fuzzy and confused thinking on the subject in shooting circles that should know better.

[sclg]

Like many others, the range I use doesn't permit 'downloaded' rounds.
I think they have two main reasons:
1) Downloading CAN be dangerous if you don't understand what you are doing. (OK - we all know, but I'm sure not everyone does!)
2) Short of chrono-ing everyone, how do they know? With very few exceptions, if it's a pistol cartridge, it's going to be OK for ME/MV. With a rifle cartridge, who knows?

Obviously, both of those can be sorted out and taken into consideration but most committees want a quiet life and, after all, it's their heads that role if something goes wrong.
As someone said above, their range - their rules.

[dromia]

"Downloading" is just hand loading, stick with published data, safe hand loading practice's and a responsible attitude all will be well.

In our club we provide a chronograph all loads have to be signed off and there is a paper trail, all our members are happy with this and comply.

If it is a club then the rules are the members property not just the committees. Committee's can be changed if they are not fit for purpose.

[Furiouspilgrim]

When I, and therefor our club, use the term ‘download’ or ‘downloaded’, it’s to cover any round, pistol or rifle, that typically has far less velocity and muzzle energy than it’s factory round. The ‘downloaded’ part is to describe the fact it’s been reduced to suit the range limits. It’s been ‘loaded-down’ if you will.

My downloads for my range might be over the limit for someone else’s range. Always best to check.

[Dark Skies]

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If it is a club then the rules are the members property not just the committees. Committee's can be changed if they are not fit for purpose.

Sounds easy, doesn't it? However, in a number of the clubs I belong to when it comes to the AGM and voting for who does what in the following year there is usually a moment when members look down at their feet rather than put themselves forward and they are jolly grateful when the previous members offer to do another innings because of the amount of work and responsibility to shoulder.

We'd be hard pressed to find a substitute committee - not that I feel that we require one in either of my clubs.

[dromia]

As in all democracies, you get the governance that you deserve.

[dromia]

When I, and therefor our club, use the term ‘download’ or ‘downloaded’, it’s to cover any round, pistol or rifle, that typically has far less velocity and muzzle energy than it’s factory round. The ‘downloaded’ part is to describe the fact it’s been reduced to suit the range limits. It’s been ‘loaded-down’ if you will.

My downloads for my range might be over the limit for someone else’s range. Always best to check.

We would call that "appropriate" ammunition for our range.

[WelshShooter]

"Downloading" is just hand loading, stick with published data, safe hand loading practice's and a responsible attitude all will be well.

In our club we provide a chronograph all loads have to be signed off and there is a paper trail, all our members are happy with this and comply.

If it is a club then the rules are the members property not just the committees. Committee's can be changed if they are not fit for purpose.

Wait a minute, you mean to say that your club uses measured evidence to demonstrate a particular load is acceptable?! Preposterous! We can't be having none of that logic business going on

[Dark Skies]

As in all democracies, you get the governance that you deserve.

It's not a matter of deserving - it's a matter of practicalities. People working odd hours or with responsibilities beyond their hobby or unable to commit regular / reliable time have to be realistic about their ability to do the job properly. With our clubs it's usually the guys and lasses that are retired or semi-retired because they have the time and experience to do the job. That's just the reality. Fortunately ours do a very decent job of it and are appreciated.