VZ.58 M.A.R.S

[dave_303]

The trigger fire/trigger release operation is certainly going to provoke some discussions if it is fitted and I do wonder who will be the first to manage to get the things to go auto regardless of it being 'impossible' Apparently there are still some lever release SGC 9mm's that misbehave on occasion.

I've had this though, however, my thoughts are at the moment is how long until this is copied, I'm not sure on the length of UK patents, but once it's expired or if Caledonia Classic Arms are willing to expand it would be interesting to see if this could be fitted into other guns, if so I really does make a full blown mockery of the 1988 act. This in my eyes can only be a good thing.

[Blackstuff]

...if so I really does make a full blown mockery of the 1988 act. This in my eyes can only be a good thing.

I'm all in favour of the gun, fully intend on getting one and love the inventive thinking to get the shooter the closest thing to a 'proper' gun while still staying within the letter of the law, i can't help thinking that using an AK type platform, considering the reason why this gun has had to be made in the first place, might be a step too far

Does any one know why the VZ58 was chosen? e.g. the base gun is cheap, the internal space required for the MARS mech needed a wide receiver etc etc?

[phaedra1106]

Probably the reasons you stated plus the Czech VZ58 has proven to be a very reliable rifle, no feed issues or other mechanical gremlins.

[raybrown53]

OK time to start saving up for one of these. I think I will have to put in a variation change out my .357 slot ofr either 9mm or another 7.62 x 39 (as I already have one rilfe in 7.62 x 39 it might make sense) I love my SP .223 VZ58.

Could you do me a favour please and measure your VZ58 to see what minimum barrel length would be required in order to comply with the 24"/60cm overall length rule please? i.e. measure from the back of the receiver, not including the stock. I'd ideally like one of these with as short a barrel as possible, but i also don't want to restrict myself in terms of stock design.

Many thanks

If I recall right they off a 300mm Barrel length and I believe mine is 470mm will measure as requested and get back to you. I also recall that if you opted for the 300mm barrel it came with a fixed muzzle break to comply with current legislation.

[Blighty]

Dare I ask what other platforms this system will eventually be available?

My only concern would be misfires.

Bang, click, bang, click, bang, click, click er....where was I?

[HALODIN]

No one knows, but he would be wise to patent it and then licence it to other manufacturers.

I'd say it's more like Bang, clack, bang, clack, bang, clack, click....

Dare I ask what other platforms this system will eventually be available?

My only concern would be misfires.

Bang, click, bang, click, bang, click, click er....where was I?

[Blighty]

....or even clunk, click,

Flashback to the 70s!


(Random reference to a government seat belt campaign)

[breacher]

I must say I think it goes against a principle embedded in basic firearms safe handling.

For example "Finger outside the trigger guard until pointing toward target and ready to fire"

I look forward to seeing one in the flesh and seeing how it works. I am sure it will make for a very fast follow up shot but surely a lever or button would have been better ?

[Blackstuff]

I've got a lever release rifle and i can honestly say its one of the safest gun i've ever shot (action-wise). You know exactly what the gun is doing and whether its got a round chambered, the bolt is open or if its misfired. Given the similarilaties I imagine this will also be the case with this gun.

Using only the trigger to operate the gun will make things less complicated than having to use a lever or button (and hence another digit/thought process), and imo, even safer. It will also stop the problem i've got with my lever release where i'm resting my thumb on/pretensioning the lever in order to get off the next shot as fast as possible but i've put too much pressure on and when the gun recoils it makes my thumb push the lever past the release point while the bolt is in motion - the mechanism doesn't lock the bolt back and it goes forward again, chambering a round but not having cocked the hammer (as its supposed to). This has accounted for 95% if not 99% of the failures to fire i've had with my LRA9

I really don't get the safety concerns with this gun and i'm struggling to imagine the circumstances where the mechanism would cause any more of an issue than a lever release, or semi-auto. The gun will be used for target shooting so just like any other target gun you'll keep it pointing down range at all times anyway?

[GRSporth1]

It will also stop the problem i've got with my lever release where i'm resting my thumb on/pretensioning the lever in order to get off the next shot as fast as possible but i've put too much pressure on and when the gun recoils it makes my thumb push the lever past the release point while the bolt is in motion - the mechanism doesn't lock the bolt back and it goes forward again, chambering a round but not having cocked the hammer (as its supposed to). This has accounted for 95% if not 99% of the failures to fire i've had with my LRA9

Not to go too far off topic, but i've fitted a "U" shaped piece of metal to the bottom of the lever of mine - so my thumb can stay very close to the normal shooting grip position rather than stretched upwards.